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More on the Phinergy battery
Charles Murray   6/20/2014 4:49:50 PM
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A more recent story is now calling it an 1,100-mile range. See link below:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/17/israels-phinergy-tests-1100-mile-range-electric-car-aluminum-air-battery-system-video/

 

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Re: Serious issues yet to be resolved
Charles Murray   6/12/2014 8:46:37 PM
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It's interesting that you bring up Back to the Future, oldjimh. In Part 2, Marty McFly travels to 2015, where flying cars and Mr. Fusion are commonplace. Funny, we're only a year away from 2015 now, and we don't seem to be making the progress that the movie's creators envisioned.

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Re: I was sold on the EV until...
Charles Murray   6/12/2014 8:40:26 PM
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Yes, Bunter, Ovonic was the company featured in Who Killed the Electric Car?. They did some good things (they developed nickel-metal hydride) and had some really smart people in the company, but they also had a well-known penchant for overstating their case.

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Re: I was sold on the EV until...
Bunter   6/11/2014 10:57:30 AM
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Hi Cadman,

Since the zealots don't seem to be here to admonish you I will give it a try.

(Set hysterical tone: On)

WHAT!!! You take your evil 4wd out in the pristine wilderness?  Don't you care about the (fill in selection: 1. environment, 2.favorite critter {specify}, 3.global whatever it is called this week). Naughty, wicked, evil Cadman!  You must be punished...

(Hysterical tone reset: Off)

So, did I get it right?

Prefer a dirt bike myself.  ;^D

Enjoy.

Dennis

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Re: I was sold on the EV until...
Bunter   6/11/2014 10:48:09 AM
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Hi Charles,

Was Ovonic the company featured in "Who Killed the Electric Car?" (The answer was "Physics".)  Chuckle.  

These folks are the "Fish Carburetor" of today.

Take care,

Dennis

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Re: I was sold on the EV until...
Cadman-LT   6/10/2014 8:28:08 PM
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While I have never been sold on EVs. I do see all of the work going into it. There might be a day within my lifetime that I could buy an EV. Just have to wait and see if that day ever comes. I like everything about EVs as probably everyone does, except the batteries. Gas is gas. Batteries run out or fail prematurely. Not great if you're four-wheeling in the back woods. One day everyone will own one, just not sure if I'll live to see that day.

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Re: Serious issues yet to be resolved
Charles Murray   6/10/2014 8:01:11 PM
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Yes, naperlou, the battery swap concept has been out there for awhile. Most recently, it didn't work well for Better Place, despite mountains of adoring publicity.

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Re: I was sold on the EV until...
Charles Murray   6/10/2014 7:59:54 PM
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You're right, Cabe. Batteries always look better in the lab. In 1993, Ovonic founder Stanford Ovshinsky wrote in the NY Times that his company's nickel-metal hydride battery could go "250-300 miles" on a charge and could be "recharged in 15 minutes." Real-life is different than the lab.

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Re: Serious issues yet to be resolved
naperlou   6/10/2014 8:59:28 AM
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oldjimh, you make some good points about aluminum.  Another is that recycling it takes only 5% of the energy of refining it from bauxite. 

The concept of swapping out batteries at a "filling station" appeared in Popular Mechanics (or Popular Science) decades ago.  Tesla is talking about doing that, but the economics of the swap are not good with the lithium ion battery.  They will sell "filling stations" the same device that they use to attach the battery in the factory.  The problem is that the batteries cost Tesla about $20K each.  This aluminum air battery would be much cheaper, I assume.  In the old concept of swapping, the "filling station" would charge the battery and then put it in another vehicle when it was ready.  That assumes a complete standardization of battery pack design.  This is also a problem, but is could be overcome.  I assume these aluminum air batteries would be recycled rather than recharged.  If that can be a reasonably priced process, it just might work.

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Cabe Atwell   6/10/2014 2:40:52 AM
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@ Charles- Theory often looks good on paper, but it doesn't always transition well over to real-world testing.

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