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Ann R. Thryft
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Re: The real meaning of innovation
Ann R. Thryft   5/22/2014 1:51:47 PM
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Yes, I meant the Total Transformation stage, when both seats are flipped over to provide a sleeping surface, also called a "private suite" as you mention. Assuming the diagram is to scale, the diagonal on the flat surface shown doesn't look much more than about 2 seat widths plus a small fraction, which isn't very long at all for someone my height. 77 in tip to tip sounds good until you realize that at least 12 in of that isn't utilizable because it's too narrow at the points for head and feet. That gets you to 65 inches max, which is 5 feet and 5 inches, not long enough for most tall people.
I think the main problem is that seat widths and legroom have simply shrunk beyond reasonable levels of comfort for anyone over 5 feet. I've watched this gradually change over the last few decades, so it's not easily noticeable.
That said, I agree that this is better than what we usually get in coach, assuming the overall dimensions are more generous than what we have now, and I like the adjustable options. I noticed, though, that the award was won for Premium Class & VIP, which is not how most of us travel.



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Re: The real meaning of innovation
Daniyal_Ali   5/22/2014 1:26:40 PM
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Very right Ann. I guess you are talking about the Metamorphosis stage as mentioned in the link shared; the best case scenario of Caterpillar Seats is Total Transformation which gives ample space as it converts the seats to a private suite type arrangement.
Being a tall person myself, i also had the concern you have but then i thought about how much space the present airlines give us and comparatively this looks much better with its adjustable features and good space utilization.

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Re: The real meaning of innovation
Ann R. Thryft   5/22/2014 1:04:01 PM
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Thanks for the link, Danyal_Ali. I hadn't seen this one, either. The  Caterpillar seat looks like a great idea. But as a tall woman (5' 9") who was once married to a very tall man (6' 7"), I'm a bit skeptical about how much actual diagonal length there is to sleep on when both Caterpillar seats are flipped over. It doesn't look like nearly enough room for someone my height, let alone a six-footer.

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Re: The real meaning of innovation
Daniyal_Ali   5/22/2014 12:01:19 PM
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You are right Ann. There are a lot of different designs in the market, which is also a good thing as one can choose the best from the lot. Here is the link to the Caterpillar Convertible Seats that i was talking about.

http://www.paperclipdesign.hk/caterpillar.html

This design won the Crystal Cabin Award too. You must have seen it already.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: The real meaning of innovation
Ann R. Thryft   5/22/2014 11:47:23 AM
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Danyal_Ali, you're welcome. And thanks for the name of the PaperClip Armrest. Although the photos make it clear that people using the same armrest would have more body contact than some would prefer with a stranger. That's too cozy for me. I think the best solution is slightly wider armrests, without necessarily increasing total seat depth from window to aisle.
I found a lot of different seats called "Caterpillar." Can you give us the link to the one you mean?



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Re: The real meaning of innovation
far911   5/21/2014 12:25:49 PM
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I surely hope so.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: The real meaning of innovation
Ann R. Thryft   5/21/2014 12:22:12 PM
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far911, you sound a bit skeptical, and understandably so. Many people have already experienced the wrong plastics spec'ed for their cars and have had problems with materials fading & cracking from UV exposure, or simply not holding up in terms of strength and longevity. Commercial aircraft are even more carefully regulated, though, so I think these will most likely be correctly specified.



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Ann R. Thryft   5/21/2014 12:21:37 PM
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Cabe, most of these are specified as meeting fire/smoke/toxicity (FST) and other fire requirements, mentioned in the descriptions.



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Cabe Atwell   5/20/2014 11:46:16 PM
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Most aircraft accidents happen on take offs and landings with some catching fire after smashing into the ground. So are any of these plastics and polymers fire resistant? 

far911
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Re: The real meaning of innovation
far911   5/19/2014 12:40:32 AM
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Daniyal well said about materials that at least they will not inflate if any thing goes wrong.

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