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Charles Murray
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Re: Roundabouts or Traffic Circles
Charles Murray   5/1/2014 7:03:53 PM
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Agree, William K. The same should hold true for all dissatisfied users of "Big Oil."

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   4/18/2014 2:20:06 AM
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That'll be $10, please.

William K.
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Re: Roundabouts or Traffic Circles
William K.   4/14/2014 1:39:00 PM
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I would suggest that those who hate cars should be forbidden to use them, which certainly seems fair to me. And it may educate a few folks as well.

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Re: Roundabouts or Traffic Circles
GDC   4/14/2014 9:27:53 AM
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Don't forget to add the "Stop for pedestrians" zones in the middle of most blocks on college campuses to the inefficient stop conversation.  I wonder how much greenhouse gasses are added to the atmosphere because of these feel good zones.

William K.
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Re: Roundabouts or Traffic Circles
William K.   4/13/2014 5:36:02 AM
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The whole problem is that if the politicians admit that it was a mistake, that they will be expected to correct the problem. So nobody in Michigan politics admits to ever making a mistake. That is probably a political thing, I suppose.

Nobody will acknowledge that the four way stops reduce fuel economy, increase pollution, and make the intersections less safe. So that problem does not go away either.

Stuart21
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Re: Roundabouts or Traffic Circles
Stuart21   4/12/2014 10:10:14 PM
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What could it be then?

It couldn't be political.

William K.
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Re: Roundabouts or Traffic Circles
William K.   4/12/2014 3:04:15 PM
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We have lots and lots of four way stops, and a few 5-way stops also. In addition we have the "Michigan Flip" arrangement for making left turns on almost all divided roadways, residential or main. And no oil production anyplace to be seen, although there are some old wells that are not working. So please don't blame the oil companies for municiple government stupidity. They are the same fools who claim that stop signs at every single corner prevents speeding. 

fire-iron.biz
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Re: who is the I?
fire-iron.biz   4/12/2014 6:58:03 AM
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William,

Come to Florida from May to Sept. where there's no snowbirds.

Stuart21
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Re: Roundabouts or Traffic Circles
Stuart21   4/11/2014 9:35:34 PM
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I think the preponderance of 4 way stops can be explained by the fact that they are the most inefficient intersection. 

From my experience, they are usually used in oil producing states. 

Need I say more?

William K.
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Re: who is the I?
William K.   4/11/2014 8:43:55 PM
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The problem with drivers in Michigan is that if you can pay the $16 you get a license, if you are over 21 years old. If you fail the written test they tell you the right answers and then give you the license. It seems that driving is regarded as a right, not an earned privaledge. And so we have a whole bunch of people who have no clue as to how to merge and are unable to focus their attention in order to drive safely. In addition they simply don't understand anything about inertia or friction, and how that relates to stopping a vehicle.

In addition we have a good number of folks with the classic "17 second reaction time" symdrome, and they often make for some real excitement on our roadways. And those snow-bird-brains are one more reason why I would nevber ever visit Florida again.

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