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Bunter
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Re: All fine and dandy until..... your until out of cheap oil.
Bunter   3/11/2014 3:49:00 PM
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Hey Unc,

I guess I am getting more confused.  Your first post seemed to say that we were running out of petro reserves. 

Your second acknowledges the existance of these vast new reserves, the estimates are staggering and there is plenty of reason to believe more is out there.  Now I know oil prices need to be higher than the super low prices of the past for fracking to be economical, but it clearly is at todays prices.  Not seeing the driver for much higher prices (and adjusted for inflation todays gas is not that bad).

Huge environmental impact?  You will need to be more specific.  I've read a bit on the fears some have on fracking and I've read the rebutals.  Frankly the defences of it seemed far clearer and better reasoned than the opposition.  A laymans opinion, but there it is.

Or are you refering to climate impact?

Again, lots of caps tends to signal emotive rather than reasoned delivery-it is not a plus to your presentation. 

Cheerio,

Bunter.

Uncreative
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Re: All fine and dandy until..... your until out of cheap oil.
Uncreative   3/11/2014 2:58:29 PM
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Sorry about the confusion on previous post.

I am EXTREMELY familiar with FRACKING, Bakken shale, ND and Canadian oils/tar sands, horizontal drilling methods, etc... The main problem with these is they are a mere partial solution and result in much more expensive fuel and huge negative environmental impact to boot. (BTW: I dont consider myself a tree hugger)

Again, sorry to spoil your cheap oil party buddy, it's simply over. We need to get over it and move on to much cleaner AND sustainable energy sources. By inherency, electricity offers a myriad of potential generation sources (solar, wind, nuclear, geothermal, clean coal,LNG, nat gas, etc) thus resulting in flexibility and cleaner options.

The era of the EV is here and just lifting off the ground.

 

 

Bunter
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Re: All fine and dandy until..... your until out of cheap oil.
Bunter   3/11/2014 2:00:09 PM
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Speaking of spoiling parties...I think you are a bit behind on petroleum, energy industry involvement or not.

New techniques in extraction have lead to a boom in oil and gas reserves that can be accessed.  Eagle Ford, TX and North Dakota for example.

Hope I did not miss understand you-your syntax was a bit hard to follow.  Just a hint, throwing in a lot of CAPITALISATION tends to distract from the message rather than help.

Cheerio,

Dennis

AnandY
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Re : Slideshow: Considering the History of Electric Cars
AnandY   3/11/2014 1:41:22 PM
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@ RogueMoon, I must say these are very balanced comments and a fair analysis of EVs. The most important thing is to keep trying and overcoming the problems. There is no point in talking big without actually coming up with something. It is the most effective way of silencing the critics to come up with the break through and provide solution to the problems.

Uncreative
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All fine and dandy until..... your until out of cheap oil.
Uncreative   3/10/2014 4:55:16 PM
Sorry to spoil your party but... maybe true in the past, NOT SO TODAY.

The set circumstances' outlined in this article were simply trumped by muted almost non-existent global prosperity but most of all, HUGE new oil reserves (north seas) which lead to cheaper oil prices for decades to come (bottoming at <$10 ppb).

Forward to today whereby we have the exact opposite: Plateau-ing oil prices at $80 to $100ppb and a HUGE burgeoning global population whereby demand for automobiles could very easily TRILPLE in a matter of mere years - not decades.

Where is that oil to power these vehicles going to come from? Not so, and therefore to meet demand an alternative to the fossil fueled (sorry nat gas is also limited) combustible engine would need to come of age. 

Working in the energy-related industry for over fifteen years, I can see first hand how companies are going further and much much deeper to extract energy sources. 

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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Re: Slideshow: History of Electric Cars
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   3/10/2014 2:07:19 PM
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I was curious if you were commenting on the 240SX or the LincVolt – Both were pretty inspirational  stories but very, very  different from each other.

a.saji
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Re: Slideshow: History of Electric Cars
a.saji   3/10/2014 4:24:22 AM
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@JimT: That is a very inspiring story indeed. I think this is a start for something big and new for the future. Surely there will be some big names and products / services coming up. So this will be a part of it for sure. 

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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Re: Slideshow: History of Electric Cars
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   3/9/2014 10:53:15 PM
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 Just found another neat link on the Vintage Voltage site, detailing Rock Legend Neil Young's entry into EV research. See this YouTube link detailing the effective conversion of a 1959 Lincoln, to prove that EV efficiencies could be optimized to power even a behemoth of that era.  Very Interesting: (4 part video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynT_1l0kclA&list=PL2687090848BD3A0A

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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Re: Slideshow: History of Electric Cars
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   3/9/2014 10:38:48 PM
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I had a close working peer make an EV in his garage, using a Nissan 240SX with a blown engine. It started as an experiment "to see if he could"; ---  and he did, for a personal investment of less than $15,000.  He still drives the 240SX as his daily vehicle.  From the experience, he started Vintage Voltage, LLC, and now is in the lithium battery pack development and charging business.   See his story at http://vintage-voltage.com/240sx/

Laguna_b
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But where do you get gas????
Laguna_b   3/9/2014 3:33:32 PM
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That is what you would have said in 1900 when the ICE became a new product. No gas stations existed. Only the very rich could afford it and in some places speed limits were to be set less than a horse could trot preceeded by a man with a bell warning of the approach.

Fast forward, no longer looking to be buried waste high in horse poop, we face Climate Change which could seriously disrupt everything on our planet including abundantlife and food. We have this filthy relec called an ICE that is dirty, reequires multiple levels of service constantly through its life, a fuel that is carcingenic and so grossly inefficient that it has to dump the vast majority of its energy into the air as heat!

Enter Silicon Valley entrepreeurs and disruptive technologies.... the electric car. It can run on 100% renewables but during the transition, runs on the EXCESS generation capacity on the nightime grid....multiple sources. Service? LOL!!! rotate tires, check brakes RARELY ( regereration saves most of that as electric so almost no brake wear)... well perhaps you MIGHT check battey cooling fluid or firmware update.

Today, MOST families have more than ONE vehicle and commute under 40 miles R/T to work. Virtually ALL BEVs will cover that with room to spare. Guess what... no stops for gas as you charge at night. Cost of fuel, depending on where you live, about $1-2 / day.

Is every BEV right for every need? Of course not. If you wanted to buy a vehicle that served 100% of your needs you would buy a moving van since every few years you might need it to move, but would pay for gas every day to go to work. Makes sense? Of course not....that is why we rent when we need exceptional needs.

We now have a Ford Focus EV for daily commutes and a RAV4EV for longer journies up to 200miles r/t ( with one stop for topping). We will now see how much the old Prius is used when a gas vehicle is needed. For really long trips I have ALWAYS rented as it is much cheaper and you have exactly the vehicle you need without paying for it all year long.

Why BEVs for us? Yes, we want to save the planet but the Prius was doing a good job at that already. Once you drive electric you MUST have one. Best ride going, quiet, PERFORMANCE, overall cost. I can not tell you how many I know have tried riding in mine and bought for themselves.

So all you buggy whip peapole, move over for the ICE crowd, soon to occupy the bench of history!

 

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