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Pubudu
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Re: that's what I thought
Pubudu   1/27/2014 12:46:55 PM
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Its seems to be that the shared vision is key to the success at ford.  

BrusselsSprout
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Re: Style...
BrusselsSprout   1/27/2014 10:42:43 AM
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Play nice.....  No name calling here  ;<)

William K.
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Re: Galvanic Corrosion?
William K.   1/27/2014 10:25:38 AM
Jim, I also have a lot of unhappy memories of just how severe corrosion can be, especially in this part of the country where so much salt is used on the raods that it is still present in the puddles in the late autum. Heavy aluminum bumpers that become more brittle than glass, and alloy fittings on the engine, steering, and brake system that simply disolve away. Not right away of course, but usually just weeks after the warranty runs out. And all of those places in the steel body that were prone to rust failure may now suffer from being converted to aluminum chloride, which is a rather weak material. So while I aplaude the Ford engineers for the weight reduction I really wonder just what they have done to solve that fatal corrosion problem. It would be a "heartbreaker" to have ones pickup truck fall apart after only ten years.

Jim_E
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Galvanic Corrosion?
Jim_E   1/27/2014 9:56:27 AM
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So, I wonder if we're going to see new instances of galvanic corrosion where these fancy new aluminum panels are attached to steel brackets with steel hardware....

I have bad memories of working on American made vehicles from the 1970s where this was a real problem.

Battar
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Style...
Battar   1/27/2014 9:25:44 AM
Aluminium body parts may make the F150 lighter and faster but it certainly doesn't make it any less ugly. That front end styling is enough to frighten kids into falling off their tricycles. 

I suspect that the F-150 isn't really marketed as a pick-up. It's more of an over-powered, over-weight, oversized, uneconomical family car. Much like its' intended owner, I imagine.

Stuart21
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Re: that's what I thought
Stuart21   1/27/2014 9:21:21 AM
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I am not sure that US makers saw corrosion resistance to be an advantage.

 

But then it might be a buyer thing - both sides of the pond.

BillK
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Re: that's what I thought
BillK   1/27/2014 9:16:18 AM
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I hope it is affordable. 

I have read that there is a magnesium alloy that is lighter and stronger than Aluminum without the burning up.  Great if true and cost similar per pound.  Don't know the answers to that,

Does anyone know the estimated gas mileage?  I must have missed it in the articles.

My 2010 does well on the highway, but short start stops kills the mileage.  My short trips keep the mileage at 14 or less.  5000lb truck is heavy.  (super-crew 5.5' bed)

 

1800ES
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Good to see they used aluminum in the FLOOR too!
1800ES   1/27/2014 9:06:42 AM
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Which Land Rover didn't do, there's a lot of old Land Rovers with 'Fred Flintstone' floorpans in them.   Add the body/heater leaks to the steel floors....

watsonm05
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Re: that's what I thought
watsonm05   1/27/2014 8:55:46 AM
Interesting comment about corrosion.  When I took an Airframe Mechanics course we were taught that only pure aluminum (or alminium for those who prefer the "other" spelling) is corrosion resistant in that it almost immediately forms a surface layer of oxide whose molecules are not larger than the pure material.  The problem with ferrous materials is that the oxide molecules are larger than the non-oxidized material which is why they "flake" off.  What we were further taught is that aluminum alloys (at least then - 30 years ago) were not necessarily corrosion resistant because they could have the same issue as steel for example.

Does anyone know enough about the metallurgical properties of the alloys being used now to know whether they really corrision resistant?

 

1800ES
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O, C'mon guys, it came from Land Rover-
1800ES   1/27/2014 8:54:02 AM
Ford may have accessed recent modeling technology from Jaguar and Aston Martin, but I'm sure they started thinking of an aluminum body when they owned Land Rover (as well) not so many years ago.  Land Rovers have used aluminum bodies since 1948!

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