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naperlou
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Not really
naperlou   1/20/2014 9:14:56 AM
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Alex, I have to disagree with you on this one.  The form of handwriting, for example, has evolved over time.  Personally I find using the computer, for writing and drawing, more effective.  It is easier to put thoughts down and to work with those thoughts.  Learning to write, with pen (pencil) and paper is not difficult.  If you took someone who grew up typing and forced them to learn to write, it would not be a problem. 

Now, my background includes taking all the drawing classes in high school and then finishing with pre-engineering.  My brother did the same, but went the architecture route (and is now a professional architect).  Fortunately, I learned to do some programming in that pre-engineering class.  When I got to university, I was doing some statistical analyses, including the graphs, by hand.  It took me a week.  This went well, but the professor pointed out that the next time there would be at least one order of magnitude more data.  I got to learn real programming skills which helped me with my career.  I got to do many very interesting things. 

Now, my father, who had the title Engineering Technician at a government electronics lab, started out as a draftsman.  His handwriting was beautiful.  Even later in life when we got him and electric pencil, so that he could write on metal, it was beautiful.  Even he learned over time that the computer was needed to make progress. 

I see in my sons the ability to do both.  The younger one, who is a senior in high school, is taking AP Computer Science (mainly Java programming).  He also works with 3D CAD software.  This is a tool that really gives him a heads up on the skills he will need in University and work.  He is very creative.

mrdon
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mrdon   1/20/2014 2:59:40 PM
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naperlou

 

I believe tools like computers, software, paper and pencil allow us to capture creative ideas. Creativity, to me, is an activity where imagination is inspired by the world and using various media one can express it. Some individuals are not inspire, therefore lacking creativity. I remember taking a Creativity class at Chrysler to help find new automotive solutions using out of the box techniques for creative problem solving.  The tools I mentioned previously allow us to extend our imagination rapidly and to explore them in a new creative ways.

Nancy Golden
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Too Much Technology
Nancy Golden   1/20/2014 8:04:13 PM
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This is a great topic and one that preoccupies my thoughts often. I recently had a girls' night out with my daughter and we went to a local paint studio. The idea is to choose something you would want to paint. You are supplied canvas, paints, and helpful tips by wandering instructors while you sip on a glass of wine (my daughter is legal drinking age) and create with reckless abandon (the catch phrase of the studio). By the end of 2-3 hours you have an artistic creation that you can take home with you. I never knew I could have so much fun behind a paintbrush. We were urged to experiment and try out our ideas (if you don't like it - you can simply paint over it). I also discovered wells of creativity that I didn't know existed...

The other day I saw an advertisement for a paint app that came with a brush that you could use on the surface of your tablet. No muss, no fuss, and in comparison to the real thing...no fun. I think in some ways, technology does restrict creativity and limits our imaginations to a computer screen - and that is a shame. You can't feel the textures of the paint as you blow it dry with a hair dryer or recreate strokes using multiple brush sizes in your hand as you search for just the right effect. Selecting brush tips on the computer screen doesn't compare.

I have used photoshop for years and illustrator as well - I understand and appreciate the use of technology in media arts - but sometimes you just gotta get messy!

Battar
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An hour in the library
Battar   1/21/2014 9:02:12 AM
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I was taught that an hour in the library will save me a month in the lab. 

Technology brings other peoples' creativity closer, so I don't re-invent what has been done before - leaving me time to concentratet on what hasn't. 

Other than that, some people will always be creative for their own personal pleasure. 

William K.
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There is a problem, but not that one.
William K.   1/21/2014 9:03:59 AM
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The use of a computer is both liberating and restrictive, as far as recording what our creativity produces. On the one side, cad programs allow me to create some design and be certain that the dimensions are in a close to correct proportion. (That is important for me as my freehand sketching does not usually have good proportioning.) But on the other side I find that many writing programs are limited inn what they provide, seeming to ask "why would you do that" on a lot of occasions. The more powerful the word processor the worse that seems to be, with "Word" being the worst offender. 

But if the concern is just about the use of language in creativity, rather thanb the creation of images by arranging the text, then a computer can be a great value by allowing the stringing of words together without needing to be distracted by forming each charater. Towards that end, spelling correction, or better yet, the notification of spelling errors, can allow the production of documents that are at least technically correct, regardless of their content. So a child can produce beautiful poetry or prose and those reading it will not need to struggle with figuring out what the text is spelling. This reduction of the burde of deciphering poor handwriting is a worthwhile contribution, even as the use of technology reduces the use of longhand script. That has always seemed to be a burden in that after children learn the alphabet and how to read it, they are tasked with learning a second alphabet composed of characters with the same name but different appearances.

So the answer is that technology does both restrict and enable.

RogueMoon
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how creative is creative?
RogueMoon   1/21/2014 9:12:49 AM
The English mandate for computer programming is an interesting one although it has the problem that the preferred languages in industry change more quickly than the 10-12 years to complete a primary and secondary education.  Example: I learned line-based FORTRAN which is nearly worthless now compared to the object-oriented C, Java, Ruby and a thousand other names I don't recognize let alone be able to use.  Software writing is the job of only a few for a reason as it requires a lifelong dedication to just stay abreast of what is going on.  Teaching everyone to plan tasks, flowchart, manage resources and reason a problem into a working solution is probably the best use of a programming class.

Another interesting picture of how technology fails to evolve uniformly over the populace is looking for useful technical apps on the App Store.  They are FEW and far between.  Most apps are simplistic little time-wasters that amuse the public not educate them or assist them with important tasks.  Cracking whips, flinging birds at blocks, making bodily function noises on command, are all readily available, but try to find an app that calculates heat transfer, solves compounding interest or balances a circuit, and you'll hunt for a while. 

William K.
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Programming is another issue altogether.
William K.   1/21/2014 9:18:29 AM
The points about teaching actual compter programming is another concern that is quite different. Almost all computer users are not programmers and they have no concept of how programming might even be done. In fact, given the common shorthand term "apps", which probably is not understood to be short for "application programs". So the understanding ofeven the very basic functioning of individual programs under an operating system is gone. 

The reality is that on smart phones there is no way to do things unless there is a program to do them installed. That is only a couple of steps away from the concepts described in that book, "1984", by Orwell, in which there was "goodthink" and "badthink", and even thogts were regulated. 

This relates to programming because so few are able to do it. Just like engineering, very few are able to take ideas from a foggy concept to functional reality. Of course even within the engineering community most engineers have their skillsets limited to some specific areas, such as the design of ASIC devices. 

KennJ
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True Creativity is rare
KennJ   1/21/2014 9:46:57 AM
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The truly creative people are those who come up with the programming language like C, C++, or Visual Basic in the first place. Those people are few and far between and have the ability to think out of the box at a level not within the bounds of the people actually using the software day to day.

mrdon
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Re: Too Much Technology
mrdon   1/21/2014 2:56:10 PM
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Nancy Golden

It's nice hear how creating without the use of technology still exists. I still use a notebook to capture ideas for embedded designs and electronic projects by writing text and hand-drawn pictures. The idea of using pencil to paper allows me to truly be connected with my thoughts and I can be as creative with these tools as well. The best creative ideas have been captured by doodling on the back of a napkin.

Nancy Golden
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Books Versus Tablets
Nancy Golden   1/21/2014 3:12:46 PM
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How about books and catalogs versus tablets and CDs? While e-books are obviously more cost-effective and CDs for catalogs make it easy to find what you are looking for - how much serendipitous findings do you miss out on because you are using an electronic venue instead of thumbing through pages and accidentally finding treasures along the way? I can't tell you how many times I stumbled across something exciting or helpful that I found inadvertently while looking for something else...I find it ironic that the computer screen loses that ability with its precision but it is just that precision that makes it a great tool. I think we are in-between times but our children don't see the value of books because they are being taught technology first. This about sums it up: commercial

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