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patb2009
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
patb2009   1/16/2014 4:37:48 PM
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public charging infra-structure would be useful.

 

attaching Level 2 chargers that charge per hour to the base of streetlights

might do a lot to help

Debera Harward
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Re: even gasoline infrastructure has issues in cities
Debera Harward   1/16/2014 1:46:03 AM
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Any1 , agree with you that there are certain areas where gasoline stations are just ending up but what i think is it varies from city to city and country to country as well. In some aeas there is shortage of gasoline so definitely people will move towards EV but in some areas there is no shortage so people will prefer gasoline only . But no dount EV is the next  upcomming technology which i guess no one can deny .

William K.
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
William K.   1/15/2014 10:17:52 PM
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When it is not possible to charge at home, which will occasionally happen to almost everybody at least once, the solution would be to have a hybrid vehicle, so that it could charge with it's own generator. The other choice is for free enterprise to build charging stations to rent. I have also read about some city, not in the US, in which one must be able to prove that they have a parking spot before they are allowed to purchase a car. While it cewrtainly is a loss of freedom, it is one way to handle the parking problem.

Of course the same thing that prevents me from purchasing a propane fueled car ought to discourage folks from buying a car that they can never charge at home. But I am certain that the complaint will be that the government must do something to help the poor fools who did not think a bit ahead. Once again, the hybrid would seem to be the solution. Not that everybody would need one, but for some it will be the only smart choice.

In the city of New Orleans there were neighborhoods where very few owned cars because there was no place to park them. BUT it was no problem because they could take a bus any place they chose to go. The downside was no car to escape the flood with, and the city does flood every 80 years or so.

Charles Murray
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
Charles Murray   1/15/2014 7:59:21 PM
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I agree that charging presents a serious challenge, William K. Battery-electric cars have always been assumed to be the solution for cities, in part because of EVs have such good fuel efficiency numbers in city traffic. The problem, though, is that crowded urban areas often have parking problems. Here in Chicago's urban neighborhoods, many people live in three-flats, which often have one small garage or no garage. So where does the EV owner charge up in those situations? 

William K.
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
William K.   1/15/2014 5:37:31 PM
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Bob, you and I have not had it, but the struggle to change meanings of words reminds me of a guy named Clinton. Also, your image in the posting is not very clear

bob from maine
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
bob from maine   1/15/2014 5:30:42 PM
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Hmm. Haven't we had THIS conversation nationally recently? Perhaps my tongue was not inserted far enought into my cheek. I agree with you.

 

William K.
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
William K.   1/15/2014 5:27:44 PM
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Bob, you are certainly right about the people finding a solution to make a buck.

But I disagree about it not being a tax. Every cent that the government chooses to take from me is a tax, period. If I CHOOSE to spend money for something that is different. But all of that which I have no choice about is a tax. Calling it something else is just a diversion. A pig is a pig, no matter how many times they call it a butterfly. 

jgaber
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
jgaber   1/15/2014 5:22:11 PM
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Isn't it just a simple matter of standards.  All ev manufacturers standardize on the battery packs and how they are placed in the vehicle.  Then it becomes am infrastructure change from gas station to battery swap out station.

bob from maine
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
bob from maine   1/15/2014 5:07:57 PM
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I would not vote to spend public money to install charging stations to be used for private vehicles. There are arguments today suggesting that in addition to significant tax rebates and government refunds to enable the purchase of EVs, we should adopt a national policy of mandatory infrastructure upgrades to permit recharging of them. This, of course would not be a tax, but cities, towns, employers, and private parking lot owners would be fined if they fail to comply. For those who do not have a dedicated off-street parking space at home the options are limited but I believe where there is an opportunity for profit, someone will come up with a method.

William K.
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Re: Charging at Parking lot
William K.   1/15/2014 11:40:58 AM
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Charging while parking ismindeed going to be a very large challenge in the proliferation of all plug in electric vehicles. But I wonder how many of those who would expect charging at work or in a public parking lot presently get their vehicle fuel tanks filled while they are parked? It certainly would be nice to have my tank filled while I am at work, but I don't think that many are that privaleged. Likewise in public parking lots.

Common sense would dictate that one should plan to have enough fuel, or charge, to achieve the days driving, and then recharge at home. Indeed, I would not consider the purchase of an electric vehicle that was not capable of doing a day's commuting with an adequate margin of charge remaining. Who else owes me a charge? IN addition, who else owes me the cost of my share of a public charging station? I don't believe that anybody is obligated to provide those for me, and I do imagine that such stations would be operated for profit by those willing to invest in them, much as gas stations today are mostly run for profit. Why should charging stations be any different? 

So what we are discussing here is the unintended consequences of something that seems like a good idea, until the requirements for the supporting logistics come into play. The bottom line then is that folks should anticipate recharging at home, and not believe that anybody else is obligated to provide you with other options.

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