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jhankwitz
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Too Restricting
jhankwitz   1/15/2014 9:41:54 AM
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EV purchasing is already greatly hampered by local (too cold or hot), commute distance (can't make it to and from work on a single charge), lack of resources (can't afford to buy a second commute car).

The final approval of the new Apple campus meeting brought up this problem.  Apple is planning to provide only 1,000 charging stations in their parking lots.  The Cupertino Village is concerned because Apple employers are already parking in Village charge stations, then pulling their bikes out of their trunks to ride to work.

There's a lot of infrastructure and control over who gets to use what before EVs become a significant part of everyday life.

 

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Seems to me.....
OLD_CURMUDGEON   1/15/2014 8:58:26 AM
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Seems to me that what we have is a classic example of the "chicken or egg" conundrum.  UNTIL the local gov'ts, electric utilities, etc. come to a common solution, good throughout the land, regarding charging/parking facilities, the number of EV or HYBRID vehicles sold will be stymied.

And, all this new investment of infrastructure does NOT come free.  There will be a mighty significant cost involved to outfit all these "spaces" to accommodate the EV-class vehicle.

Call me Neandrethal, but I STILL maintain that the gasoline or similar fuel-powered vehicle is as viable today as it was at the turn of the last century when the automobile challenged the horse & steam engine for transportation needs.  I am NOT opposed to new technology, BUT unless science & engineering & manufacturing can come together to make an electric power storage device with the same or better overall efficiency of the modern gasoline or diesel fuel powered vehicle, I see these EV type vehicles as occupying only a niche market for decades to come.....

any1
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even gasoline infrastructure has issues in cities
any1   1/15/2014 8:52:20 AM
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I have lately been reading, and conversations with friends that live in core areas of Boston, Chicago, Washington DC, New York city, and San Francisco corroborate that in many cities gasoline stations are slowly disappearing over time. No new ones are being built and older end of life gas stations in high cost of living areas are being closed and repurposed for other uses that make more money for the owners. So now in many core city areas people are being forced to drive to the near suburbs to find an open gas station. So in these core city areas maybe the electric infrastructre will be just as good, or better than the fossil fuel infrastructure.

ChriSharek
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Re: First electric outlets, then parking???
ChriSharek   1/15/2014 8:50:27 AM
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www.chargepoint.net is a website showing most of the public chargers - and there is an app for your phone for this as well. 

ChriSharek
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EV Parking is a Problem
ChriSharek   1/15/2014 8:49:21 AM
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No question that this is becoming more and more of an issue. 

Home charging still accounts for 80% of charging.  There is no question that EV adoption will be reduced if we don't address the issue for those living in condos and apartments.

Recently during the relocation of our office, I negotiated a charging station for our new building.  This is the first commercial building in our area providing a charger to ONLY the tenants (limited use for proxy card holders).  This clearly raised the bar in our area and added to the growth of EV adoption.

Unfortunately, the chargers are normally located close to the building (perhaps due to proximity of available electricity).  This creates some anxiety as the Non-EV-ers see the EVs as the "privileged and elitests" that get the "special" spot. 

Debera Harward
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Re: First electric outlets, then parking???
Debera Harward   1/15/2014 4:14:26 AM
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Sometime back i came across that either they are planning or they have already implemented the installation of EV charging stations throught the cities. If such charging stations are installed or are in the process of installation then how come the rise of these vehicles can decline instead of increasing .

Mydesign
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Re: First electric outlets, then parking???
Mydesign   1/15/2014 1:54:22 AM
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"Road rage will not be an issue in the future, parking rage will become a news item we will start hearing about. Seems I recall hearing that in the big downtown metro areas, parking spots are sold for a premimum (I maybe thinking of Europe?). Imagine if you bought a parking spot and found someone in it. I think sparks may fly (pun intended)."

GTOlover, in future EV vehicles there may be options for charging the vehicles, while running through road. Recently I read about similar experiments in EU by embedded some charging strips over the road. So by electrical contacts through strips, vehicles can get charged.

Mydesign
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Charging at Parking lot
Mydesign   1/15/2014 1:51:32 AM
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"parking challenge could affect sales of both battery-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids, largely because both need to find a charging outlet."

Charles I won't think it's a major concern as long as charging stations are common. Charging point at parking lot is just like an added advantage, so that vehicles can be charged at free time.

Mydesign
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Re: First electric outlets, then parking???
Mydesign   1/14/2014 11:57:25 PM
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"What will happen is that people will start plugging in their EV's when ever they see an outlet. Similar to what you see in an airport when everyone is trying to charge their phone, tablet, or laptop. Of course, this leads to an issue of who pays for the 'free' electricity:"

GTOlover, that's a tricky situation but the thing is most of such charging points are kept inside the airport, where passengers are lobbing. Anyway we won't be able to take vehicle that much nearer to the plugging point.

far911
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Re: First electric outlets, then parking???
far911   1/14/2014 10:53:03 PM
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you are rite these teething problems wont be an issue.

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