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far911
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Re: FCEV far from implication
far911   12/15/2013 10:40:45 PM
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Specially in the countries where technology reaches very late it seems like few more decades.

Habib Tariq
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Re: FCEV far from implication
Habib Tariq   12/15/2013 7:35:03 PM
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Some very good points you have stated. Yes fuel cell might have higher efficiency than a diesel or gas engine and might also be more environmental friendly, but due to its limited production and cost makes it far from practical. The main challenge will be how to obtain hydrogen for the fuel cells very cheaply and make it readily available.
Fuel cells will definitely play a very key role in the future, but still there is a long way to go before this technology can be made common to the public.  

far911
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far911   12/15/2013 8:16:25 AM
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Beside the design and shape of car look really sexy and FUTURISTIC.

far911
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Re: NISSAN INITIATED FCEV
far911   12/14/2013 1:54:56 AM
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Thanks both of you for upgrading my information.

far911
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Re: FCEV far from implication
far911   12/14/2013 1:53:14 AM
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I guess the intial cost to build FCEV STATIONS IS VERY HIGH.

far911
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Re: NISSAN INITIATED FCEV
far911   12/14/2013 1:50:10 AM
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The slide show will be a treat 2 watch.Looking forward.

far911
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Re: FCEV far from implication
far911   12/14/2013 1:49:01 AM
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Well stated Mr. Charles Murray and thanks for updating about the volume and growth of this field.I appreciate it.

Charles Murray
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Re: FCEV far from implication
Charles Murray   12/13/2013 6:32:30 PM
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Yes, far911, cost and infrastructure are huge hurrdles. As I understand it, automakers are talking about a magic number of $50,000 a vehicle, after it goes into volume production. We're still a long way from that. That's why Navigant sees the size of the market reaching just two-hundredths of one perpcent six years from now.

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Re: NISSAN INITIATED FCEV
Charles Murray   12/13/2013 6:10:18 PM
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You're correct, far911. Nissan started looking at fuel cells as far back as 1996. We have a slideshow coming up next week that includes early fuel cell technology from GM and Nissan, as well as the recent work done by Hyundai, Honda and Toyota.

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naperlou   12/13/2013 11:58:40 AM
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far911, you are correct.  The infrastructure is a real issue.  I have seen the designs.  I worked with a construction contractor that was doing this for BP.  It will be expensive and complex.  You will probably have a whole other set of stations. 

All fuel sources require energy to put them into a form that can be used for transprotation.  Whether that be transporting and refining oil and then transporting the refined products, or whether it be the electricity that is used by BEVs, there is no movement without expending energy preparing to move.  The real question is how much energy and where the feedstock comes from.  Hydrogen is available everywhere.  Therefore transport of the raw materials will not be a cost.  Those materials are safer to handle.  Power plants can be used off peak to produce hydrogen, therefore they run more efficiently.  It is a complex equation, but one that can be evaluated.

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