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William K.
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Re: What a range of creative robotics
William K.   5/18/2014 9:58:12 PM
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Cabe, the problem is the potential for seroius problems if robots or any machine entities ever do become self aware. It would move them in the direction of considering that they deserved some freedoms and believing that they had some rights. There is no possible benefit to machinery being self aware that can outvalue the potential for undesireable consequences. Why don't those working on such projects realize this. I have no doubt that they can eventually reach some version of highly neurotic self aswareness in some machines. And what possible benefit could be the result.

Consider the effect of a robotic assembly line deciding that it needed some additional benefits, and how complex any negotiations would be. And that is just one example. Or consider a rescue robot refusing to enter a dangerous situation because of the risk of injury. 

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Cabe Atwell   5/18/2014 6:09:28 PM
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Self-awareness? Look what it did for 'Skynet', we didn't fare so well against it. All kidding aside, scientists are working on that issue as we speak, however I agree with Elizabeth. We don't yet understand why it is we and even animals are self-aware and robots may never achieve that level of sophistication.

William K.
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Re: What a range of creative robotics
William K.   11/25/2013 10:33:39 AM
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Elizabeth, I have read several articles in the past three years about groups striving to develop self awareness in either computers and robots. And while I share some of your doubts about the probability of their success, I also regard them as courting a real potential for disasters in a number of different ways. I see it as similar to a bunch of more radical college students attempting to create home-made atomic weapons. That is, I don't see anything beneficial that can come from self aware robots, or even just computers.

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Elizabeth M   11/25/2013 9:55:23 AM
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That's an interesting idea, William K. I often think about how intelligent robots are getting and if they actually could have a real capacity for self-awareness, due to the fact that they are limited by the programming being done for them by humans. But were your theory to come true, it could make for some unpleasant scenarios. I don't know if it's really possible, though, since a robot is limited by what a human programmer can do, and I am not sure if self-awareness--which itself is so complicated in humans--could actually become part of a robot's artificial intelligence. But others can weigh in on this and correct me if I'm wrong.

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Elizabeth M   11/25/2013 9:48:13 AM
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Well in all the examples of robots replacing humans, AandY, I think you have found a new way to use them. It would be great if robots could replace humans as escorts not only at exhibitions but maybe even as hosts/hostesses at a restaurant. Although I think most people would still prefer a real person to do these things. But in the future, that could change.

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AnandY   11/23/2013 3:54:09 AM
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I really love the idea of a robot at an art exhibition showing visitors around the room. As a designer (though not exactly an artist) I often find myself having to exhibit my designs to the world at some point. The problem with exhibitions is that you have to repeat the same facts over and over and this can really get exhausting. Having a robot do that for me is simply awesome and thanks Elizabeth for bringing that up.

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Rob Spiegel   11/22/2013 1:05:39 AM
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That's an interesting theory, William K. That could explain why the Japanese don't experience the uncanny valley to the degree Americans do.

William K.
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Re: What a range of creative robotics
William K.   11/21/2013 7:10:08 PM
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Elizabeth, let us hope that robots never become "self aware", because at that point they will suddenly have personalities similar to the worst aspect of those programmers who create their basic progams. And that will be a rather bad situation, even worse if there are a lot of them. Just imagine an unhappy machine that lacks an adequate intelligence to understand an explanation of the real situation, and why it is satisfactory. And picture a robot that becomes bored doing robot tasks.

Robotic art is fine, the media can indeed be the massage, but it sould not attempt anything like real intelligence, only good reflexes and an ability to follow instructions.

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Re: What a range of creative robotics
William K.   11/21/2013 7:02:56 PM
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Rob, much of Japanese culture seems to be an urgent need to be just like everybody else. That would tend to make the people identify with robots quite readily, since robots seem to come off an assembly line, all quite similar to each other. At least the industrial robots that I ammaquainted with all seemed to have identical personalities.

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Elizabeth M   11/12/2013 9:06:38 AM
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Yes, Chuck, it's just a matter of time. I actually think it won't be so long--maybe only a five years or so, depending on how quickly robots become adopted in the mainstream--before people forget that robots ever seemed weird or strange to be around. But maybe I'm just optimistic and think technology like helper robots for the elderly and Baxter for factories will become part of the mainstream quickly.

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