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Bunter
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Re: Late to the party?
Bunter   11/7/2013 9:35:55 AM
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Hi Charles,

I realize this thread is dead but I thought I'd throw you a note.

Volt sales for October-2,022  down 32% from 2012.  The industry was up 10% overall.

Little early to call a trend but I wonder if the August sales were a bubble with the lower price and reality is that demand is flagging. 

I suspect that if the "pause" in global warming continues (17 years and counting) we will see EV's and wind/solar enthusiasm retreat a great deal.  Double that if the planet enters a cooling cycle (solar & oceanic cycles indicate that this is a possibility).

We will see.

Take care my friend.  Have a great, and thankful, Thanksgiving.

Dennis

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Re: Late to the party?
Charles Murray   10/28/2013 6:09:25 PM
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It's hard to say how the Volt is doing these days, Dennis. It set a record of 3,351 in August, then dropped sharply to 1,766 in September. Year-to-date sales are 17,760. Sounds to me like Chevy's looking at about 25,000 this year.  

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Re: Late to the party?
Bunter   10/24/2013 10:36:53 AM
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The current EV "boom" rather reminds me of the "retro-style" surge in the auto industry.

THe Prowler was all over for awhile then the PT Cruiser exploded.  Then the T-bird was hot for maybe 72 hours.  The Chevy SSR?  The what? DOA.  Everbody had their cool retro ride already.

I really expected the price drop to perk up Volt sales, but if they are still dropping (not certain) after that...I think we may be seeing a fad starting to fade.  Could be wrong.

Anyway Chuck, have a great day.

Snowing here in MI, love it , ready to ski.

 

Cheerio,

Dennis

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Re: Late to the party?
Charles Murray   10/23/2013 8:41:52 PM
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You're right, Bunter, the euphoria just wasn't there with this announcement. The Volt generated far, far more public interest. Right now, the euphoria is in Tesla's corner.

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Re: Late to the party?
Bunter   10/23/2013 9:37:19 AM
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Interesting thoughts on the engineers hindsight.  Personally I think a lot of things are getting driven by panic reactions these days (was this always so?).

The A123 article is a good illustration.  As we see more clearly every day Gummit intervention typically leads to really "brilliant" solutions.

One more thought on the ELR-I don't see the typical "EV's will save us" excitement defending it.  Kiss of death?  Condemnation with faint praise?

Cheerio,

Dennis

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Re: Late to the party?
Charles Murray   10/22/2013 6:58:56 PM
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One more point, Bunter...If you want to see what happens as companies rethink their earlier decisions, take a look at this story:

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1366&doc_id=268739

 

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Re: Late to the party?
Charles Murray   10/22/2013 6:54:08 PM
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I don't know about the ELR project, Bunter, but a lot of automotive engineers are now talking about the optimistic times of 2008 and 2009, when electric car projects were viewed in a very different light. I suspect many of those projects would be curtailed or even dropped if automakers could do it over again.

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Late to the party?
Bunter   10/22/2013 9:56:38 AM
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One of my first thoughts is "would this project get the go ahead today?"

Keep in mind, like any new car, the go-ahead was several years ago.

IIRC, last month saw lower year-over-year sales for the Volt inspite of the $5k lower price. I have posted before that I suspect that the EV market is already saturating the demand for the current offerings price/range/capability combinations.

With Volt interest possibly flagging, I think the ELR will probably fail hard.

Cheerio,

Dennis

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Charles Murray   10/18/2013 6:05:34 PM
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Yes, the Chevy Volt will have better fuel efficiency numbers, but Cadillac has acknowledged that it traded fuel efficiency for power in the ELR. I believe the Volt only has 149 HP. And the ELR offers 295 lb-ft of torque, compared to 273 for the Volt. Cadillac's belief is that their buyers aren't as interested in fuel efficiency, and I think that's a pretty fair bet.

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?doc_id=258113

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Charles Murray   10/18/2013 5:59:19 PM
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Valid points, GTOlover. They've carried over the powertrain, which saves them some money. But as for the rest of it...we're seeing here what often happens in the luxury end of the market. In the rest of the vehicle (not the powertrain) Cadillac is bearing costs that aren't shared with the other divisions of GM. This is why many consumers like to wait for technology to trickle down -- trickledown means less cost.

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