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William K.
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Re: Recall?
William K.   11/6/2013 5:06:16 PM
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The stonewall is what I would expect from Toyota. To admit a problem is to lose face, and they don't want to do that.

Parris Boyd
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Re: Recall?
Parris Boyd   11/6/2013 4:44:44 PM
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"MIROX," get serious. I've plainly stated that the engine disintegrated - as did many others - at UNDER 30,000 miles. There's NO excuse for Toyota's stonewalling - or the government's - insofar as MR2 Spyder pre-cats are concerned. Apparently, you can't discern the difference between holding grudges and demanding simple fairness. Yes, "MIROX," I'm sure Toyota wishes I would go away...

MIROX
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Re: Recall?
MIROX   11/6/2013 4:30:11 PM
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When you buy any vehicle, be it TOYOTA or anything else, it is your obligation to read the Warranty, and that includes the Emission Performence Warranty.

Once the vehicle is past that, it is over the certified useful life, the MR 2 when it was made was 5 year or 50,000 mile "useful life", if you want 15 year or 150,000 miles TOYOTA vehicle you get the PRIUS and not MR 2.

Carrying hate grudges against any OEM because you keep the car for lot longer that it was designed for will not resolve anything.

Miles, days in service is what matters last MR2 were made in mid 2006 as 2007 MY it is now 2013 and every OEM already makes 2014 MY vehicles.

IF cars were intended to last forever people would not buy 15+ million of them annualy in USA, we woudl still be driving cars made in 1950's like they do in Cuba !!!

Check this one out:

 

http://www.synlube.com/AutoDataUSA.htm

Parris Boyd
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Re: Recall?
Parris Boyd   11/6/2013 4:15:42 PM
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"MIROX," there are warnings that MR2 Spyder engines will fail emissions testing if pre-cats are removed, and I find it somewhat disingenuous for you to imply that EPA is unaware of the implications of Toyota's pre-cat problems in these cars. And how, exactly, do you know that"...the fans that post terrible experiences on the Internet blogs NEVER (emphasis mine) bother to file proper complaints with the EPA or CARB..."? Point is, there's been way more than enough publicity - AND formal complaints filed by Spyderchat, et al. - about MR2 Spyder pre-cat problems to give so-called regulatory agencies ample grounds for correcting the situation long ago.

"After 10 years or so, no one really cares." Really? Maybe you should talk with a few of us who lost the better part of ten thousand dollars due to the defect, Toyota's stonewalling, and our dear government's complicity in the scam. After 10 years or so, the money is STILL missing from our bank accounts, "MIROX."

I was delighted that an Oklahoma jury returned a guilty verdict in a recent lawsuit against Toyota, involving one of many instances of sudden, unintended acceleration. The facts exposed Toyota as a deceitful corporation, with the jury stating that Toyota acted with "reckless disregard" of the Plaintiffs' rights. To find out more about the case, and what kind of corporation Toyota is, visit http://www.beasleyallen.com/news/toyota-sudden-unintended-acceleration-lawsuit-ends-in-landmark-verdict-2/ Also, I've published two blog posts about the case at http://www.uc2.blogspot.com It's obvious that neither Recall King Toyota nor the government is concerned with protecting consumers. 

Larry M
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Re: Variable Valve Timing
Larry M   10/25/2013 11:08:21 PM
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If the hill is steep, just go up in reverse.

oldtimer8080
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Re: Variable Valve Timing
oldtimer8080   10/25/2013 8:42:01 PM
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I did a similar thing  on my 1977 XJ12. since it was designed with Luft ( air ) Jetronic FI, the only thing I had to do was adjust the barometer and add ~ 10% alcohol (  think heet ) to make it pass emissions without the insides of the two catalytic converters. The older heads on the V12 did a much thourough burn of the fuel and cats really were not needed.

When it passed, I just reset the barometer to permit driveability and to save the valves in the head from the excess heat.

Bashing out the cats with a crowbar was very theraputic, too...

MIROX
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Re: Recall?
MIROX   10/25/2013 4:15:53 PM
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Technically EPA has the authority to recall vehciles and CARB does as well, but that can be done only if the vehicle runs and pollutes the air, not when it self destructs and engine fails.

Both EPA and CARB has forced OEMs to recall thousands of vehicles, but mostly for thinks like the MIL not lighting up when it should have during random engine misfire.

Unfortunately the fans that post terrible experiences on the Internet blogs never bother to file proper complaints with the EPA or CARB, so that is why Toyota will do nothing about it.

Also after 10 years or so, no one really cares.

If this was happening with 2012 car, it might get some attention.

 

timbalionguy
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Exemptions
timbalionguy   10/25/2013 4:09:26 PM
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I'm wondering if you could get your mechanic to give you an exemption based on the risk of catastrophic engine failure that the failure of the pre-cat has routinely caused. At least in Nevada, that will be honored during an inspection (and dynamometer testing is not done here).

Would replacing the pre-cat every 40K miles or so be a possible preventitive?

I have never liked Japanses cars. This story makes me like them even less.

MIROX
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Re: Wait a sec!!!
MIROX   10/25/2013 4:06:54 PM
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Emission Performance Warranty only applies when the car runs and pollutes the air and can not pass the emission test.

Once the engine disintegrates, it no longer runs and thus does not pollute anything but you driveway or garage.

There is no DURABILITY warranty on any vehicle sold in USA, the only thing that Warranty promisses is to fix defects in materials or workmanship if they become apparent during the Warranty period.

There is never any stipulation for fixing "Monkey designed in problems" as they are not "defects".

 

 

 

 

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Variable Valve Timing
Rob Spiegel   10/21/2013 1:17:52 PM
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Yes, Parris, it guess this is one of the drawbacks of a limited production vehicle -- you're at the mercy of the producer, and sometimes that producer is not merciful.

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