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bobjengr
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START-STOP
bobjengr   10/16/2013 4:57:11 PM
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Excellent article.  I have a client working towards providing a device that will use the very same start-stop process you describe in you post.   I agree completely in that this technology will become extremely important as manufacturers strive to meet the fuel requirements mandated by the "FED".  It's good to know my client is basically on the same page as others.  Again, excellent post.  

Ockham
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Oil, Lithium, and EV hysteria
Ockham   10/16/2013 1:42:50 PM
Yep... A123 gets more than a quarter of a BILLION Government dollars, but just can't make it work. No problem - the Chinese swoop in and buy the whole shebang - AND at fire sale prices. Smart move, Zenmasters! China links A123 to their abundant and highly controlled access to the prime raw material - Chinese controlled Lithium. A nice economy of piracy, IMO. Score US 0 / China 1

Meanwhile, in a tacit admission that current EV designs are market failures, A123 debuts their "new line of batteries" tipping their hat to the start/stop designs, which might actually make a modicum of engineering sense. This announcement conveniently happens even as GM announces they are going strongly towards micro-hybrids! Hmmm... GM + A123 + microhybrids. That's an even less than tacit admission that the EV scam is a failure as a business model, no matter what its tree hugging merits might be. If GM is ready to write off the volt, you can figure that micro-hybrids are going to carry the next half decade.

The next move? Well, for one, expect more climate change hysteria as the juggernaut of "oops..we found more oil" announcements both in the US and Australia impeach the main candidate for pure EV ascendancy. That will make it even more incumbent upon EV acolytes to fall back to their secondary strategy of climate change hysteria, e.g. "sure we have lots of oil, but we can't USE it anymore!"

 

Measurementblues
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A123
Measurementblues   10/16/2013 9:12:16 AM
Ah yes, A123. The company that got lots of tax breaks from Massachusetts to get started, then couldn't make a profit and is now a foreign-owned entity. Well, at least the previous management is gone.

Jerry dycus
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Re: Micro-Hybrid market
Jerry dycus   10/16/2013 9:04:01 AM
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A123 is a great battery line, I just wish they were lower cost.

 

Start/stop is just a short term thing, 5-8 yrs at most, but a market is a market.  And unless battery compnies find some markets, they are doomed.

 

I'd not use a 12vdc battery here with the 48vdc one  as just more cost, complication especially since you need a DC to DC anyway to keep the 12v battery charged!! 

The most important thing is these/lithium batteries can be left not fully charged, in fact they like it, unlike lead acid which needs charging till full or it dies.

But if one were to plug their SS battery in at night a couple times./wk, lead would do this for much less.

Another is for the same price, putting the starter, alternator in the flywheel saves so much weight, cost, parts plus can be used to boost power I can't figure out why they don't do it that way for another 5% economy boost for less money.

Nirajrk
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Retrofit Micro-hybrid Systems
Nirajrk   10/16/2013 5:42:09 AM
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Interesting discussion here and thrilled to know awareness about Micro-Hybrids..We have developed our own Micr-Hybrid device that can be installed in any car as an off the shelf product..We have tested our system on 7-8 year old cars so as to know impact on old batteries & starter motors and result are just astonishing..we have got 15-20% fuel saving in those cars without hampering any of the existing components..presently we are only offeting auto stop/start and regenerative breaking woulb be introduced later as it requires Li batteris as mentioned in the article.

we are very small gourp of youngsters and don't have huge budget for marketing & promotions so looking for suitable tie-ups worldwide..kindly get in touch to discuss our proposal in detail..

Thanks

far911
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Re: Micro-Hybrid market
far911   10/15/2013 2:04:03 PM
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I completely agree with the growth and if rate and quality is appropriate i expect its growth even faster then mobilre phones.

far911
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Re: Micro-Hybrid market
far911   10/15/2013 2:01:38 PM
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I dont see start stop  to fuitful for hybrid vehicles, on the contrary excellent for vehicles totally on gasoline or diesel etc.

Charles Murray
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Re: Micro-Hybrid market
Charles Murray   10/15/2013 11:07:10 AM
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I agree with you about long term growth, Rob. The micro-hybrid market is growing now, and will continue to grow for a long time to come.

Charles Murray
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Re: Did A123 get more government money?
Charles Murray   10/15/2013 11:05:11 AM
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Yes, they did file for bankruptcy. They restructured and were acquired by Wanxiang Group. The restructured company is definitely adopting a different direction.

GTOlover
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Did A123 get more government money?
GTOlover   10/15/2013 9:44:03 AM
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I thought these guys filed for bankruptcy after taking over 249 million grants from stimulus? They must have re-organized:

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/05/22/a123-systems-now-b456-wins-court-approval-to-exit-bankruptcy/

Ok I see what happened! Hope they are going this route and will make money without taxpayer help!

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