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Amclaussen
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Re: Root Cause: too lazy!
Amclaussen   6/18/2014 2:04:53 PM
"They're at the mercy of the shop."



Only because they want to...

I have found that most dealerships are simply stealing from their customers pockets. $600 USD for replacing a heat damaged wire bundle is way too much, unless they had to make the harness from bulk wire and loose connectors!  Anyway, it is too much.

A couple of years ago, I had to replace a corroded and damaged fusible wire located behind the battery of my old car (1991).  As fusible wire links are simply not available, I resorted to using a large Autosound fuse holder and placed a 60Ampere fuse, and problem solved! It took me about fifteen minutes and a cup of coffee to finish this job neatly and easily.  The only thing that I had to ask to an experienced Auto Electrician, was about the solution to the symptoms: Car went dead and nothing had electricity apart from the battery... he quickly remembered that the bullet type connectors are prone to corrosion and that sometimes they separate in two halves with the current pulse taking them apart!  That was EXACTLY what had happened in my car. Instead of making a new fusible wire, I went to the auto-sound fuse for an easier solution.

But most owners are simply too lazy to work on their own vehicles.  Going the D.I.Y. (Do-It-Yourself route is the way to go to save huge quantities of money, avoid being ripped off and learn something in the process.  Even tools needed to perform some tasks are paid with the very first use. And some places like Autozone, have programs to let customers use their tools and avoid having to buy all of them.  Amclaussen.

Amclaussen
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Re: DIY is best!
Amclaussen   6/6/2014 10:01:03 AM
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Congratulations! You just did it. That's the way to go.  Why depend on others when you are a true engineer that can do it by yourself?  I think in the same way. I try to do everything to my cars, it has been a wonderful experience that I enjoy most times and hardly ever regret.

Keep up the good work Turbineman!.

Amclaussen.

Larry M
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Re: Recalls
Larry M   10/17/2013 4:32:29 PM
I vaguely remember that there was a class-action suit on this exact issue--use of the C4 transmission on heavy vehicles instead of C6(?).  Take a look for it.

Larry M
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Re: Parts Store price or Dealer price?
Larry M   10/17/2013 4:28:05 PM
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Just last week I used hot-melt glue to attach the still-functional top-half of an OEM plastic tubing clip to an aftermarket bottom. Under casual examination it looks just like the original.

stemobserver
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Re: Automotive design a mystery
stemobserver   10/16/2013 4:32:43 PM
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Goat,

After looking at potential routing paths for the wire bundle I actually think that it would have been easier to have routed it over the top of the transmission and into the engine bay.  The actual bundle comes out of a hole on the right hand side of the transmission facing the rear of the vehicle. It commits to an Immelmann and runs forward near the top of the transmission.  Near the bell housing it turns right and crosses over the catalytic converter.  Had it continued straight it would have entered the engine compartment near the rear of the engine and easily routed over to the ECU connections.  Avoiding all the heat producing exhaust components.

But I don't know what configuration the engine is during assembly and therefore could be way off base.

Charles Murray
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Re: Root Cause
Charles Murray   10/15/2013 7:02:27 PM
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Regarding the need for stricter oversight: I couldn't agree more, Old_Curmudgeon.

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Re: Parts Store price or Dealer price?
OLD_CURMUDGEON   10/15/2013 12:38:03 PM
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Interesting comment!  I have a similar story, BUT y'all will be shocked to learn that SOME OEM parts ARE actually very inexpensive.  There is a front air-dam under the bumper fascia on the CAMRY.  Unfortunately, it is prone to becoming dislodges when one pulls up to a parking space w/ those concrete barriers.  They seem to pose an exact interference fit.  At any rate, this air dam is fastened to the vehicle w/ several plastic clips.  Just about every time I visit the local TOYOTA dealer for routine maintenance, one of the items I alert the service writer to is to replace the clips that have popped out.  They don't charge labor for this repair, but the bill shows "n" # of clips @ 10 cents a piece.  HARD to BELIEVE, I know, but that's the price!!!!!  (Then again, maybe that's why I have to have them replaced so often.  IF they were 25 cents, maybe they'd be made more substantially???  :)    )

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Re: Root Cause
OLD_CURMUDGEON   10/15/2013 12:29:29 PM
Charles:  Regarding the ball joints fiasco.  This was a case where there was a mother & two adult, unmarried daughters living together.  No one in the family was automotive knowledgeable, and so they were always very "sympathetic" to the advice of "professionals", in this case, the service writer at the local TOYOTA dealership.  Add to that the VERY DETERMINED sister, and it was very difficult to buck the tide, so to speak.  The ONLY saving grace in all of this was that money issues were NOT an issue, so they willingly paid the price for "peace of mind", even though there was really no action required. This was just ONE incident in a string of incidences that I could relate.  Regardless, my summary comment still holds.... I WISH there was some sort of stricter oversight for these dealerships, service organizations, etc. to cull out the bad ones, and prosecute them more fully.  People, especially impressionable women, SHOULD NOT BE USED for personal or corporate profit!!!!!

 

Charles Murray
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Re: Root Cause
Charles Murray   10/15/2013 12:13:58 PM
I should add that I also agree with you on the common dealer practice of wanting to replace ball joints and tie rod ends, Old_Cumudgeon. For those of us who know what to look for, that can be taken as a "heads-up," rather than a "must-do." My problem has always been in advising family members over the phone on these matters. Some people simply don't notice steering issues (some people don't notice any issues), such as whether the car is wandering. That's why I'm always far more conservative in advising others than I would be with my own car.   

Turbineman
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Re: Recalls
Turbineman   10/15/2013 11:52:54 AM
Notifying the Feds, then showing the Ford people that you did so, should enhance his ability to get some recourse from them.  It would also convey to the manufacurer that this is a safety issue, and he could be the first to let the Feds know about it.

On the E300, took it to transmission shop first time.  Cost $900.00.  Failed 2 years (20k miles) later.  That's when I went to the local library branch and printed out the overhaul manual (Ford's, same as transmission shops use).  Overhauled it approx. every 20k miles.  Cost: Transmission overhaul kit (just like a carburator kit)containing all clutch plates seals and gaskets: $57.00.  Labor (mine): About the 3rd time, I got it down to 4 hours on the work bench, 20 minutes to remove from van, 40 minutes to install back in van.  All a Saturday job.  After 100k miles I decided to replace the torque converter too ($50,00).  Got my parts at TransGo.

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