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Farmer use RFID, in tracking. Cows and other animals

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Thanks all - see you tomorrow! Off to the next crisis of the day!

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Thank you, Charles

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(I think it's definitely tea time or something -- bye!)

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seriously. I definitely need to work on my applied statistics & such (but am, because of that, excited to do so) -- looking forward to the rest of your talks.

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Some of my point going into Friday. When the IoT "universe" becomes global, we are in the realm of Big Data and this is a VERY complex system

 

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@cjlord :) should we maybe have complex systems people involved in these things?

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It is only 3:30PM here but I think you have the right idea @Kurting...

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but to get back towards the topic of new potential applications pertinent to IoT etc -- that's sort of interesting to me -- the fact that ACO and the re-envisioning of all those concepts is such fertile ground, potentially -- if you can create something (could be device + software/service/"cloud"/analytics ...) that can be used to for novel, relevant metrics...

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It is time going to bed goodbye!

 

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@dzeez, that is the CONDENSED version.  The Washington Post estimates it at 20,000 pages

 

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@garysxt yes, important point; there was already momentum towards ACO building up

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for sure, re ACA creating a multitude of new application areas -- but I think it's actually ~2000 pages tho :)

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@cjlord - Agreed the ACA will make things more complex (and create opportunies). Please note that ACO and ACA are not the same thing, although the ACA (AKA Obamacare) will push the ACO model.

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interesting, indeed. certainly does sound like a big problem to be solved. I am famliiar with many of the travails of the oftentimes very complicated system of healthcare goods and services (I recall Steve Blank talking through the process of trying figuring out who you might consider the "customer" and how crazy compared to almost every other vertical), but does anyone know what the the 72 hour provision @elauesen mentioned is? not familiar with that in particular.

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I think ACA will create a LOT of new application areas, once someone reads all 1000 pages and figures out how to enforce it...

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@elauesen & @ 78RPM - This will get even more complex as healthcare moves to the Acountable Care Organization model which depends on integration of hospitals, 3rd party specialists and other  providers, from multiple organizations working together sharing responsibilities, costs, revenues, etc.

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@LeoSieben I just noticed that post, for some reason -- thanks for pointing it out

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@dzeez please see the post that arrived three below yours for info on medical cost recovery

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(getting the sense I'm the only person still here... :)

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@elauesen what do you mean specifically by "medical cost recovery"?

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@cjlord but that said, Charles, you were mentioning some more interesting issues -- and I agree completely WRT nonstandard practices -- but what kinds of applications were you thinking of, I guess in the first part of your answer? curious

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in Germany, all this talk about Industry 4.0.  Thank you very much for your answer

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@78RPM: thanks for noticing my comment in the scroll. Yes. This is a very important area and one that would be a 'billion dollar' solution if developed. Here is the problem: all medical services are eligible for reimbursement either from the government or private insurance. In order to qualify for reimbursement, the hospitals/clinics etc MUST properly document their services AND code those services and do all of that within a 72 hours of the actual service performed. This turns medical doctors into data-entry clerks because THEY are the ones who know what they did. This results in large amounts of revenue to the health system going uncollected because Doctors and their staff are busy trying to provide medical care--particularly emergency room staff. If we can develop a way to monitor the entire hospital primise and 'track' time and motion characteristics of medical services and synchronize to a template that creates a draft report linked to an RPMS for coding, a trained records clerk could do the work that the doctor currently does, freeing the doc to perform medicine.

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@danlafleur well, from experience working in the food industry...first, there is already extensive systematic traceability in the US (+EU, etc) food supply -- both because they're mandatory legal requirements and for company liability -- but while practices vary tremendously, there is a lot of stuff still being done pen on paper for logging (it was hard for me to comprehend what I was seeing :) So--what I'm trying to say is that there is definitely a huge role for electronics, software, automation (still) to expand into making these types of rather important processes less error-prone -- but it's not an IoT type of application that I can see. Only IoT-ish things [I can think of ATM] would likley be somewhere in RFID territory for large qty units of ingredients, and big guys already do that.

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thanks Charles, time to go. see all tomorrow.

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ELT - emergency locator transmitter

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They make wearable ELTs - problem is getting people to carry them! It is the casual hiker who decides to go hiking this afternoon that typically gets lost.

 

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@cjlord, I agree, the drive has to come from the top down. there is an intial cost and resistance until some cost benifit is uncovered for the producer. also the potential of the tracking information coming back to the originator is a problem.

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(to continue summer camp idea)  To satisfy privacy concerns, adult wearers would be able to activate the tracker, themselves, when they are lost or in trouble.

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@cghaba - that is a huge concern of many. These issues are just now being addressed.

I would look to the new IEEE standards groups to address this soon.

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@danlafleur - this is possible, but it would depend on regulatory agencies driving it.  Health issues tend to come from small farms that use non-standard practices (GMO contamination, viral or antibiotic contamination of livestock, etc)... They would not be the ones that would embrace tracking on their own IMO

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I'm trying to figure out applications for medical cost recovery under the Affordable Care Act

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Just occurred to me that outdoor wildlife summer camps and even national parks might require campers to wear tracking bracelets or something in case someone gets lost and to lessen risk and liability.  Could even to used to help manage search parties or firefightling efforts.

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? How can we establish the limit from where the presence of IoT devices can affect our privacy?

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Thanks for the 'overtime', Charles...

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Kurting - I see a lot of parallels between I 4.0 and IoT... There may end up being a marriage of the two for industry applications. Certainly, the concept of IoT fits the infrastructure of Industry 4.0

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cghaba - interesting idea

 

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?? I would like to know what the difference between Industry 4.0 and IoT is ?

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Another area can be sports, to enhance spectators experience, statistic gathering and improve athlets performances.

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?? any chance of agriculture embracing the IoT to track food products in the event of a recall or evidence of the origin of contaminated produce, mad cow or whatever comes next?

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A defense application that I have been looking at is 'cloaking technology' for assets from electronic signal monitoring. The generation of a reciprocal waveform from the sront-end wave character/topology would assist our military assets from being IDd

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International transport of High value Livestock.

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Thanks much for the thought provoking and stimulating presentation.

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mgh162-I archived the ppt from prior classes if you like, I can email it to you. Also, the CEC keeps archives

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I hope tomorrow my internet connection will be ok, anyway thanks to you Charles and Lauren, good night

 

Thank you for another great lecture.

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Tuesday day two slides are at http://downloads.deusm.com/designnews/DN-CEC-Internet-of-Things-Day-2.ppt

Good lecture, Thanks

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Where can I find the slides from yesterday's class?

 

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Thank you, Charles and Lauren! I need to prep for a call at the top of the hour, but I will keep the chat room open.

Privacy is important, that's exactly how I feel.

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Terrific class, Charles. Thank you Lauren, Design News, and Digi-Key

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A unique ID on street lights, so they can be individually controlled or replaced when needed.

Thank you Charles and Lauren.  I look forward to tomorrow.

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Great class, thanks a lot. See you tommorrow.

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Smoke detection, home security

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Law enforcement evidence room tracking

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I see that some home lawn watering systems have sensors in the spray heads. They only request water when it's needed rather than just turning on a set number of minutes each day.

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Traffic light monitoring, HD cameras on traffic lights

 

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Other application important in Alaska and North Pacific Fisheries is tagging a sample of salmon and tracking high seas interception by foriegn fleets as well as monitoring the migration of Canadian farmed salmon.

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Irrigation systems would be a good application for networked sensors. A field can vary in slope and soil composition. It would save a lot of water if the water was delivered only to parts of the field that need it instead of spraying the entire field at once.

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The question was: What other areas can you think of?

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Worked on it in the past, not presently.

Home medications, like is now being done in some hospitals.

so sorry I cannot hear more, my internet connection is intermitent

 

Must be carefule since RFID tags doen't work well on metal or liquid material

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?? Zigbee isn't typically a backbone in a building. Can you address the relationship between IP based communication systems vs Zigbee, enOcean, ZWave and how these tie into the true building management protocols such as BACNet, KNX etc?

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shipments of toxic cargo, radioactive cargo, fragile items, most shoplifted retail items

Catalytic converters, big-boy statues

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AT&T (my employer) announced an agreement yesterday with General Electric to enable GE products as "smart machines."

HVAC outdoor compressor units.

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Answer:  Other High value items that would call for smart tags:  Copper wire / copper pipe?  

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The medical industry is starting to RF ID tags for things like IV pumps, beds, wheel chairs, etc. They waste a lot of time looking for them for use with patients, and when they need to find them for maintenance, cleaning, etc. One of our clients saved $40K/month once they started to use them on IV pumps.

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I could see that project documentation could use RFID to keep it from walking off or being misplaced/misfiled

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Embed smart tags into jewellry, could be made part of the design.

I think the objection to tagging people could be overcome if the tag is easily removed.  It might look like a nicotine patch, for example.

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The question was: Can you think of any other high value items that would call for smart tags?

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@elauesen, @Lauren, That sounds like a subject for a good class. What do you think, Lauren?

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The future for medical applications will be in cost recovery and cost containment practices. The difficulty with resolving the coding and billing accountibility with the services of the physician and team is absolutely critical. Developing an application that allows an easy link between physician and the data attributes related to codes will be a 'silver bullet' for reconciliation between service and accounting.

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?? What is the difference between Industry  4.0 and IoT?
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On automotive, an issue is what (if any) sensors and controls might worth or desirable to retrofit into "older" vehicles.

Currently working on applications using Zigbee and WiFi for monitoring and data collection for Solar Generating Station connected as part of a smart-grid.

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@Jim Anicich, Zigbee is a wireless network protocol IEEE 802.15.4. You can buy little Zigbee transceivers from Digi-Key and elsewhere. They are called Xbee devices (proprietary). I just picked up a good simple book "Wireless Sensor Networks" by Robert Faludi. He gets you up and going by Chapter 2.

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I have worked on Smart Meter and Net design -- so far have only seen them used for "extra billing" -- cannot deliver control or monitoring functions to the home -- at least not in real time:

http://powerforthefuture.ca/electricity-411/electricity-choices-for-tomorrow/the-new-smart-grid/

Nothing new there -- all futures.

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Jim,

 Zigbee is a low power standard for personal area netwoorks but can be used over longer distances by connecting to a another connected device that is wired or has some other long distance protocol.

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No, I have not used it.

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I am interested in studying Smart Grid, but not doing any now.

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Q? Is wireless HART supplanting Zigbee for low power connectivity?

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Yes, we have worked on several smartgrid applications.  Used ZigBee, Wi-Fi, and 3G cellular.

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Smart Grid may be an option for the devices we are developing. Depends on the sort of current monitor sensors are easily installed, also temperature sensors.

Have been using data over power line for a while know for well conditions down hole for years

 

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@Charles, your Zigbee class was in December, 2012

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Illinois Institute of Technology called their smartgrid application Perfect Power more than 20 years ago

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Smart Grid apps are way out on the horizon.

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Yes Energy Management

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No. Primarily working in agriculture/automotive, medical, and security.

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never worked on smart grid stuff.

no smart grid apps for the idustry we serve

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Starting on a project that uses IOT with sensor measurement

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@Jim Anicich, You can catch Charles' class on Zigbee in archives from December 2012

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The question was: Are any of you working on Smart Grid applications?

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?? Is there a smart grid that has been implemeted?

I am only aware of some test projects that can actually control appliances through the smart meter.

 

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what is the universe? what is the answer to life, the universe and everything?

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Hi, from Bremen, Germany

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Hello from Lake Simcoe area

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Good Afternoon, everyone

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Hello from Toronto, ON!

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hello from Mishawaka

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Hello from Albuquerque

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Good Morning from Calgary, Alberta

Actually, I like PowerPoint so that I can type notes on them

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Hello everyone from Calgary AB Canada

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Hello from Pittsburg, Kansas

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Moring from Vancouver sunny day!

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@bitbanger55 - great! I have been considering doing the slides in pdf rather than ppt...

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Slides loaded and converted to PDF with OpenOffice AOK

Missed yesterday's "live" session; nice to be back in sync!

 

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Good evening from Iasi

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Great. Likewise. Great Lecture.

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Ten minutes! I look forward to talking to all of you today!

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Good afternoon from soon-to-be-rainy West Point, PA.

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Another beautiful day in Indianapolis!

hello all from Edmonton, Alberta.

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Hello from Albuquerque, home of the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta.

http://balloonfiesta.com/

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I got the slides okay. Thanks!

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Greetings from Boston metro west. Another beautiful Fall day at 61 degF.

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The slide deck I have, yes.  A good afternoon it is.

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 I use my blackberry. Playbook for these lectures, and no problems, audio comes in good and downloaded the slide deck ok

 

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Greetings from Raleigh NC

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Hello from Huntsville, Al.

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Greetings from Summerville, South Carolina. How is everyone doing?  How are you Charles and Lauren. I hope you are well. Looking forward to a great lecture.

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Good morning from Hudsons Hope BC.

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Greetings from Chicago.

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Good morning from Mobile, AL

Hello from Chihuahua, Mexico

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Hello from Waterloo, ON, Canada

Hello from sunny Phoenix

The slides will be posted before class begins.

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Hi from Panama City, FL.

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Good evening. Sorry to tell you that I can't fikd any link to download the presentation slides.

More than halfway to Friday. SO much to learn - so little time to savour.

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Good morning from Scottsdale, AZ

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Morning from Portland Oregon

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Slides please!!! I need to study up now.

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