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Charles Murray
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Re: Impressive
Charles Murray   10/8/2013 6:29:16 PM
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Yes, electric powertrains are well-known for being more efficient in city driving than in highway driving, Rob.

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Re: HONDA 50 MPG HYBRID
Charles Murray   10/8/2013 6:26:20 PM
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Your experience with Hondas is common, bobjengr. I recently spoke to someone who traded in his Honda Accord with 455,000 miles on it. He said he would still be driving if he hadn't left it in a parking lot that flooded near O'Hare Airport in Chicago earlier this year. Prior to the flood, he said he expected the car to exceed half a million miles with no problem.

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Re: Let's do some easy math...
ChriSharek   10/8/2013 6:11:33 PM
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Constitution man, I totally agree with you on the traditional (parallel) hybrid vehicles.  It's not worth the additional $3-4k to improve your gas mileage by 5-10 MPG. 

However, if you pay a little more up front for an EV or PHEV and actually add a digit to your mileage, say go from 24 MPG to 240 MPG, then that's another story.  The $35,000 Volt - $7,500 FTC = $28k.  But, when you factor in the savings on gas and maintenance, the vehicles really begin to make sense and cents. 

 

 

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HONDA 50 MPG HYBRID
bobjengr   10/8/2013 3:04:45 PM
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Thank you Charles for the update and great slide show.  I have owned two Honda Civics and drove them both towards 250,000 miles before trading.  Both Honda and Toyota have remarkable reliability records which I feel is due to their conservative design.  I only hope the Honda Accord Hybrid can achieve the same reliability.    I think the "engine only" design is very unique and it will be very interesting to see how the design holds up relative to everyday driving. 

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Let's do some easy math...
Constitution_man   10/8/2013 1:20:40 PM
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Honda Accord Hybrid versus Chevy Volt...
Let's see here... Honda's gettin' it done for $10K less than Chevy Volt, even when you factor in GM's HUGE rebate of $7500 [sponsored by the White house]  and their recent price slash of $5000.
 
Honda Accord Hybrid versus Toyota Prius... 
MSRP's are very comparable, but the Honda is still not as efficient as a Prius.
But then again, it won't draw so many "butt ugly" remarks, either.
 
Honda Accord Hybrid versus a Dart with a conventional gas engine drivetrain...
I'll head the other direction for a moment and say...  why not save ANOTHER 10 grand UP FRONT and buy a Dodge Dart?  
Even if it's 10 mpg less efficient than the Honda... 100K mile's worth of $3.50 gas is only another $2300... and it isn't "financed" or "up front".  It's pay as you go.
 
...still NOT sold on hybrids... GM, Honda, or Toyota... NOBODY.  The economics are simply NOT there.  Even if it is time to replace your car, it will not pencil.  I cannot afford to care so much about mpg when the real yardstick for me [and most car owners, for that matter] is COST PER MILE of ownership.
 
I have come to the conclusion, respectfully, that hybrids and EV's are for people who can afford to cuddle the spotted owl with their checkbooks...


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ChriSharek   10/8/2013 1:19:34 PM
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Look, I'm really not trying to brag or boast here.  I'm only trying to share the TRUTH about the Volt.  The REAL data about the Volt.  Not the garbage you read in mainstream media.

I also haven't seen a bit of a decay in the battery capacity - after 36,000 miles.  I went 46 miles on a single charge just this weekend (and had 2 miles remaining).  That is NOT what I'm hearing from Leaf owners with that many miles on their vehicle - remember that their battery is air-cooled.   

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Re: Impressive
ChriSharek   10/8/2013 1:17:41 PM
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Let me put it this way, WHEN I'm burning gas, i'm getting the MPG you're getting in your Prius.  But 84% of the time, I'm all electric. 

 

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Re: Impressive
ChriSharek   10/8/2013 1:09:04 PM
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The Chevy Spark will be here in the Fall.  All electric, 400 ft-lbs of torque, but only 80 mile range.  It will be around $25k but with the Federal Tax Credit of $7,500, it'll be under $20k. 

Once again, the American car makers are paving the way and should be rewarded.

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Re: Impressive
ChriSharek   10/8/2013 1:04:13 PM
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I have just over 36,000 miles on my car.  I've used just less than 150 gallons of gas.   The AVERAGE MPG over that mileage is 241.  

When I am driving across the state (300 miles like you say), I might ONLY get the 50 MPG that this "Impressive" accord gets. 

About 6,000 miles of my 36,000 miles were on gas (getting 38 MPG) and the other 30k miles are "infinite" MPG (?) using 0 gallons of gas - all electric. 

 

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Re: Impressive
Rob Spiegel   10/8/2013 11:32:33 AM
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That must be the reason, Stuart21. With an internal combustion engine, you're burning fuel at the red light.

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