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ChriSharek
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Re: No Guts, no Glory . . .
ChriSharek   2/19/2014 12:33:02 PM
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Why do you think I have a Volt rathr than an all electric!? But, I'm getting 4 times the mileage of your prius. 241 now at 42k miles on it....

shrimper53
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Re: No Guts, no Glory . . .
shrimper53   2/19/2014 9:40:33 AM
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 Don't hold your breathe my friend....Toyota's statement is probably the most intellegent , practical assessment of the viability of the EV market on a mass scale.

At present, the ONLY way EV's have any prayer of "competing" is through massive government subsidies, and other "incentives" ;  otherwise, only the richest among us can even afford to buy one.

My personall experience with a Prius as a semi-long-term rental convinced me of the hybrid practicality, economy, and the genius of the concept.  The increase in mileage was huge (compared to a conventional powertrain), the operational requirements were seamless; no worry of finding somehwere to "plug-in"... just the hassle of that is enough for me....performance was on par with any other similar conventioanl vehicle. 

I now have a Ford hybrid (a bit older, but working great...).  EV in my book has a long way to go...

 

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Toyota seems to know better
Rob Spiegel   10/8/2013 7:38:53 PM
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Wow. Problem is, you can't make drivers buy a car they don't want. This could be quite a challenge.

Charles Murray
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Re: Toyota seems to know better
Charles Murray   10/8/2013 6:53:03 PM
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The mandate calls for 1.5 million ZEVs on California's roadways by 2025, Rob. Carmakers that don't hit prescribed sales goals will have to buy ZEV credits, which will be costly.

http://opr.ca.gov/docs/Governor's_Office_ZEV_Action_Plan_(02-13).pdf

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Toyota seems to know better
Rob Spiegel   10/8/2013 8:29:50 AM
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What does the mandate involve, Chuck? Is it asking for car makers to sell a certain percentage of cars that are zero-emission vehicles?

AnandY
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RE: Toyota seems to know better
AnandY   10/8/2013 8:07:42 AM
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Whichever way you look at it, a good company should be able to analyze and understand the market demand and convenience. For me Toyota seems to be doing just that. By holding back the EV and sticking to the Prius, they are simply trying to give the market what they think is most convenient for it. Anyway, the EVs are aqually really a fascinating feature in the car market.

Charles Murray
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Re: Toyota seems to know better
Charles Murray   10/7/2013 8:10:47 PM
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Unfortunately, hybrids won't meet the CARB requirement, Rob. It's a zero-emission vehicle mandate.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Toyota seems to know better
Rob Spiegel   10/5/2013 3:37:24 PM
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Good point, Chuck. Can they do it with hybrids? They certainly can't write off California. Southern California alone is the fifth largest auto market in the world.

Charles Murray
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Re: Toyota seems to know better
Charles Murray   10/4/2013 6:35:40 PM
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You're right, Rob. You can't make people buy cars they don't want. It will be interesting to see how Toyota handles the California Air Resources Board Zero-Emission Vehicle mandate.

Charles Murray
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Re: What does Toyota know?
Charles Murray   10/4/2013 6:33:52 PM
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I agree, Nadine, Toyotas are dependable. They have dominated the Consumer Reports reliability ratings for many years. In this year's ratings, none of the twenty cars on a list called, "These used cars spell trouble," none were Toyotas.

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