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Charles Murray
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
Charles Murray   8/7/2013 8:48:06 PM
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I agree, Ann. Too many problems with voice recognition. Because I'm a lousy typist, I once tried a voice-type system. It didn't work out well. See the link below from 2000, describing my problems with it.

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1386&doc_id=215375

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
Ann R. Thryft   8/7/2013 2:08:58 PM
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TunaFish#5, ha ha. I totally agree. It's the financial services companies and utilities' IVR systems that annoy me the most. Some of them have gotten worse in their ability to recognize what you're saying. But I think a lot of the issue is how they're being deployed, in automated systems to deal with the non-exception cases. For some reason, my problems are usually the exception case that require a human.

TunaFish#5
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
TunaFish#5   8/7/2013 1:29:10 PM
@Amclaussen

Looks like you & I are cut from the same cloth.

Also, you've opened up 2 threads that could really go places even outside the current context of auto design:

"green" pretentions - more and more green-ness is a euphamism for reducing cost &/or services

People is being mesmerized by stupid non-sense "technology" - what are the top websites on the internet nowadays?  What's the main content to/from cell phones?

TunaFish#5
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
TunaFish#5   8/7/2013 1:20:49 PM
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OK, Ann, you're right.  You got me.

On the other hand, when IVR (interactive voice recognition) (phone answering & call directing) systems get to a point where they maintain (or even lower) a caller's blood pressure, instead of raising it, I'll be happy to continue this conversation.

Ironically,

(1) I run into these most often with my health insurance company.

(2) these things seem to have gotten worse, not better, in recent years.

 

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
Ann R. Thryft   8/7/2013 11:58:51 AM
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TunaFish#5, I heard all about those, but that's not voice control. I don't want a car that *talks* to me--I want a car that *listens* to me. That's voice control.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
Ann R. Thryft   8/7/2013 11:57:21 AM
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rickgtoc, I can see a ton of problems with voice control, too. But at least you don 't have to take your eyes off the road to operate things.

Amclaussen
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
Amclaussen   8/7/2013 11:43:54 AM
That's not being "Curmudgeon" at all... That's is plain old simple common sense.

People is being mesmerized by stupid non-sense "technology" and ends up buying cars that are much more difficult to repair, maintain and operate, and that become disposable soon.

It is absurd that inside this overzealous storm of "green" pretentions, the market is heading towards even stupider designs to satisfy stupider consumers.

Here in Mexico, recent models of almost new Ford midsize cars, infested with so called "electronic wizardry" have been filling dealers shops for under warranty repairs, that most dealerships are not able to fix easily or timely.

A sane measure would be to actually measure distraction time when people look away from the road, and proceed against manufacturers that are infesting vehicles with distraction causing devices.  One friend of mine, that happens to work at a large manufacturer of automotive goods (Goodyear hoses and belts), suffered an ugly accident when a distracted driver invaded his lane heading in opposite direction when the driver was "adjusting" the vehicle's touchscreen entertainment system.

Fortunately, the collision was at a very low speed, but enough to deploy the airbag in the Nissan March of my friend, Interestingly, that caused him MORE damage than otherwise (he suffered cervical injuries, serious skin burns on his face and a broken nose.  Apparently, the airbag deployment was excessively powerful for his body weight and size.

The surgeon that treated him declared the injuries were definitely caused by the airbag and not the crash itself.  So much for "too advanced car technology".

TunaFish#5
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
TunaFish#5   8/7/2013 10:11:54 AM
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@rickgtoc

oooh, scary:  voice operated car with my wife riding shotgun?!?!

I'll have to keep extra fuses for the car's voice control circuit in the glove compartment!

Or not:  I'll just let it die its wretched death and be done.

TunaFish#5
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Re: More than annoyance, a safety matter too.
TunaFish#5   8/7/2013 10:09:00 AM
@Amclaussen

I'm with you, as my Mazda 5 has both hard-to-fathom HVAC controls *and* driver-side-only key lock.

Mazda, However, acheived their HVAC control opacity through oblique logic of knob+button interaction. They didn't need the additional investment of a whizbang LCD touchscreen interface.

 

If, though, you want to complain about technology introducing safety risk, let's discuss power windows.   How is one to get out of a car wreck with a "down" electrical system and accessible doors sufficiently undamaged yet held shut by debris?

Slightly obscure?  Yeah, I guess.

Safety reduction?  Clearly.

Who seeks, accepts & buys cars like this?  um,.... me, you, everybody.

TunaFish#5
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Re: Too many features, not enough knobs
TunaFish#5   8/7/2013 9:57:42 AM
@Ann Thryft

> Maybe voice controls make more sense.

That-has-to-be-where-we're-going-but....

I remember with bemused annoyance at Lee Iacoca's Chrysler K car's perpetual announcements:

A door is a jar!

Stupid car:  it's not a jar!  it's a door!

(OK, it really said, "ajar," but who even uses that word in daily parlance?)

Voice control will just open up a new can of worms with more opportunity (reason) for higher cost.

Curmudgeonly yours!

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