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Pubudu
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Re: How much for an EV?
Pubudu   7/18/2013 1:30:35 PM
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Yes Charles, vehicle driven by the electricity itself is a great advantage  for those who can afford one vehicle, 

Pubudu
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Re: How much for an EV?
Pubudu   7/18/2013 1:26:46 PM
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True apresher,

I believe that tax incentives is the best option, it will be a big impact for the prices. There is a 200%  to 400% taxes for the imported vehicles specially in Asian countries. 

Pubudu
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Re: Not me!
Pubudu   7/18/2013 1:09:50 PM
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Warren, very soon there will be a time without oil, so we have to have move to other power source whether you like it or not

Source http://www.ecotricity.co.uk

Graph showing future energy reserves for coal, gas and oil

Elizabeth M
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Re: Not me!
Elizabeth M   7/18/2013 5:43:09 AM
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I appreciate the perspective from rural America. You may be right that the EV is much better suited to urban areas, but perhaps one day there will be an electric car sophisticated enough that this can change. The technology, I think, is certainly available.

Elizabeth M
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Re: Incentives a trap
Elizabeth M   7/18/2013 5:31:45 AM
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I appreciate your opinion and comment, Constitution_man, but to clarify, I don't actually have a lot of discretionary money. ;) And I don't think all gas-powered cars are the devil. I actually live in Europe and drive a diesel-powered VW mini-bus. Not the best thing for the environment! I was just trying to get people to see a bigger picture. Although perhaps as another commenter points out, not even EVs are good for the environment. So I suppose we should all get on our bicycles then!

Red Baron
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Re: Not me!
Red Baron   7/18/2013 2:08:18 AM
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Warren; I 100% agree with you that pure EV is not for many of us here in rural areas of the US. I might consider a hybrid for a future vehicle; but a pure EV is not feasible for this area here in Southern New Jersey by the coast.  In fact, I had to laugh about the comment by Jerry Dicus about "calling AAA".  Having been hit by Superstorm Sandy last year which devastated NJ and NY coastal towns; AAA was not even able to respond.

Oops; Power was gone for many days and we were ordered to evacuate.  How far would my EV go under those circumstances with wide-spread power outages for many miles along the coastal evacuation routes.  Gosh, my Jerrycan of gas was a big help with my ICE when the evacuation notice came.

Pure EV's might be great for urbanites; but those of us out here in Rural America (where most of your food is grown or raised), we all have bigger problems to contend with.  It is an 8 mile drive for me to the nearest Gas Station, convenience store, or ATM.  If we need groceries or go to the bank; my drive is 15 miles each way. 

There are situations where EV's, Hybrids, & ICE's are the best for a particular situation.  I do not like to see massive credits/rebates being given out to artificially support & push pure EV's.   Each  technology has it's advantages for a particular region or a person's driving habits.  Somehow, everyone seems to be pushing a "panty hose mentality", where "one size fits all".

Snobruno
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Re: Start by taking "EV" out of the equation ...
Snobruno   7/17/2013 10:04:56 PM
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I agree that incentives are not the best reason to try these new technologies but they do become easier to afford from just an individual consumer perspective. The down side is dependence through debt. My goal has been to reduce consumption of oil. Most of my ideas have come from The Home Energy Diet by Paul Schekel. A great resource for self sufficiency. $600.00/yr. in savings may sound insignificant but if you see it from my perspective; 1,100 a year for 17,000 miles of driving, it becomes huge amount over time. It's relative to how much energy you actually consume. Unfortunately everyone is borrowing "incentives" for example Social Security, roads, buildings, food. I do believe the system will collapse,but how to prepare is the question.

gafisher
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Re: Start by taking "EV" out of the equation ...
gafisher   7/17/2013 7:28:47 PM
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1. "Incentives" means money taken from the pockets of others and given to you.  If you're depending on your fellow citizens to pay for your food, heat and housing you probably shouldn't be buying expensive cars.  If you DON'T fund the rest of your life from welfare, why should your car be different?

2. Don't count on saving $600/year in gasoline costs for long.  Both Federal and all State governments already have plans on the drawing board to make up for loss of fuel tax income -- you could very well be paying half (or more) of that $600 every time you renew your license plates.

3. "...  save me $600.00 a year in fuel costs."  Let's see; at $10,000 or so more to buy an EV over an equivalent conventional car, you'd break even (assuming what I suggested in [2] above doesn't happen) in how long?

I'm certainly not opposed to the EV concept, but I'm not convinced there's even one good reason (discounting self-satisfaction) for buying one until they evolve past the experimental stage and become a viable alternative.

Charles Murray
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Re: EVs to save the planet?
Charles Murray   7/17/2013 7:27:20 PM
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I saw that article, too, KenL. In 2012, we heard a similar analysis from Carnegie-Mellon University.

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1366&doc_id=254150

Charles Murray
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Re: At what cost?
Charles Murray   7/17/2013 7:24:12 PM
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I agree with you, gafisher. The Volt is a plug-in hybrid, not an electric car. A narrow definition from SAE enables GM to call it an electric car because electric motors drive the wheels, but that's misleading. It burns gasoline; it should be called a hybrid.

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