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Elizabeth M
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Shocking indeed
Elizabeth M   6/12/2013 7:04:37 AM
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Wow, I can't imagine how that kind of flaw would've gotten past the company. Good that you discovered it before anything bad happened. Might it have caused an electrical fire? I hope they recalled any products with similar problems!

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Shocking indeed
Rob Spiegel   6/12/2013 11:07:17 AM
These kind of defects in big box appliances seem to be showing up in Made by Monkeys more often these days. A number of people pinpoint the decline in appliance dependability to the beginning of outsourcing.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Shocking indeed
Ann R. Thryft   6/12/2013 1:01:19 PM
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Wow, yet another failure, and potentially dangerous one, by a major white goods manufacturer. Like others, my only question is--how the heck did this get past QA?

naperlou
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Re: Shocking indeed
naperlou   6/12/2013 1:01:47 PM
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Rob, I think you are correct.  There seems to be a problem with testing and engineering.

Bernard, did you contact the manufacturer?  Perhaps their Big Data efforts will pick this article up.

Charles Murray
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Re: Shocking indeed
Charles Murray   6/12/2013 7:44:19 PM
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 Yes, Rob, as we've seen in Made by Monkeys, readers are also citing Maytag appliances, which were once the gold standard of appliance reliability. It looks like these quality problems are appearing in more and more brand names.

Elizabeth M
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Re: Shocking indeed
Elizabeth M   6/13/2013 5:04:39 AM
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I know, Ann! It really makes you wonder what's going on. It's a shame if people have to start worrying about the safety of their appliances from top brands, especially if historically everything was OK.

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Shocking INDEED & DANGEROUS!!!
OLD_CURMUDGEON   6/13/2013 8:40:13 AM
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Good detective engineering work on the homeowner's part, HOWEVER, if this happened to me, the FIRST phone call (or letter) that I'd forward would have been to the CONSUMER PRODUCTS SAFETY COMMISSION.  It is agencies of the gov't such as this one which DO serve a useful purpose, much unlike so many others!  It is unconscionable that a major appliance manufacturer, AND a top-tier one, to boot!, should market such an obviously defective appliance.

WAIT!..... I can hear the ambulance sirens with the ambulance-chasing lawyers in pursuit now......

Battar
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Re: Shocking indeed
Battar   6/13/2013 8:48:09 AM
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Ann, the point is not how this got past QA, the question is how did this get past UL, or CE, or TUV, or GS, or ETL, or whichever regulatory standard the product was supposed to live up to. Did it have a regulatory lab approval? How many of us look for one when choosing an appliance?.

GTOlover
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Re: Shocking indeed
GTOlover   6/13/2013 8:51:04 AM
I would also point out Rob that , in general, the many commenters here tend to be a DIY type. Or at least they pay attention if the repair guy is called in. So the Made by Monkeys reading is informative to our engineering sense of reliability. In other words, we like to kill the issue and know we improved our stuff!

However, I think the general public does not pay close attention. If it is cheap, they can purchase optional extended warranty, and the appliance looks good, they contiue to buy and any issues with the previous appliance is forgotten by weeks end. How many times have you heard someone say, "Well it was old anyway and I really wanted a (pick your color) one!"

The extended warranty type programs from both the appliance makers or the big box stores extracts additional money from the consumer. The economics is such that they can afford to cut costs on the appliances. They have a business model that brings additional money in the form of an extended warranty. If this was not profitable, they would not offer it (or increase the price for it)!

I will say in this particular case, I think the potential for lawsuit is high and Jenn-Air should think about the costs!

jlawton
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Circuit breaker?
jlawton   6/13/2013 8:55:04 AM
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I would hope that a design that's even at risk for a flaw like that would be designed with protection against it. Common sense suggests that if the design were capable of having an electrical shock hazard, as long as it was a 115 volt circuit it would have to be protected with a ground fault interrupter (GFI) rather than a circuit breaker. But when BOTH supply legs are "hot" (as in a 230 volt circuit, which is typical for a range) it's not inherently obvious that there IS a simple way to sense a low current fault! If the individual elements are wired between "hot" and ground then it should have been up to the range manufacturer to provide GFIs for each element because it isn't even possible to protect the device at the circuit level, otherwise it would seem this is WAY beyond a simple "flaw", it's a total design failure if the entire CONCEPT is unsafe.

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