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Totally_Lost
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Re: Good news for nuclear
Totally_Lost   5/11/2013 2:38:06 PM
 

PatB writes "I don't make the decisions to run large coal plants,"

Nor do I. But you do actively and loadly present a voice for the nuke free zone idealogy, which leaves no other viable choice, except fossil fuels.


That choice is made with complete indifference to the cost in lives and quality of life for about 1B people over the last 50 years. As you so freely blame others with that "is just incompetence" and "is criminal negligence", so too is preventing a valid nuke power option with significantly lower loss in life, if nothing else, as a short term solution until the storage problem for wind and solar can be solved. I have no problem using a rail gun to boost every nuke into the sun, but only after a better solution exists.


That is your idealogy's decision ... that it's better to have a nuke free zone dispite the costs to roughly 1B people, and several times more loved ones over the last 50 years.


And your idealogy has failed in the last 50 years to find and support a complete viable solution that will replace fossil fuel use in even the next 30 years. And your idealogy's hypocracy is that more innocent people must die or become ill ... for a nuke free zone. Roughly 6 orders of magnitude more than nuke power has caused in the last 50 years. Roughly 6 orders of magnitude ... more people dead or ill from fossil fuels. 1B and climbing.



How many is enough?


You can not actively provide a voice for that failed idealogy, without also accepting part of the blame for the babies, children, and adults that die each and every day that a non-fossil fuel solution is not available.


How many is enough?


How long must the nuke free zone idealogy completely lack the compasion for a 1B people mistake that it committed?


How many more must suffer for that mistake?


It's time to get behine PBR's and plug in electric hybrids, and work toward a better solution that will allow using a rail gun to boost all the nukes into the sun.


it's past time to continue this suffering from fossil fuels.


How many more must suffer for the nuke free zones idealogy's mistake?


How many  more?


That "is just incompetence" and That "is criminal negligence"

Totally_Lost
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Re: Good news for nuclear
Totally_Lost   5/11/2013 1:00:38 PM
pat B writes: "Or are they dead too?"

as long as we continue to kill and injure millions with fossil fuels, that's a completely moot point.


How many dead and sick from fossil fuels is enough?


Are they NOT dead too?

 

As we already know, excessive tidal waves of that magnitude are statistically rare.


What's not rare are hundreds dieing or becoming sick, every hour, of every week, of every year that we continue to burn fossil fuels for business, residential, and transportation needs.


How many are acceptable?


How Many?


How ethically corrupt are your insensitivites and values toward massive losses of life and massive numbers of illnesses each and every day/week/month/year for burning fossil fuels, that better nuke power plant designs would minimize?


There is no good storage solution for Wind and Solar to replace base and peak generation using fossil fuels. Solar and Wind have been suggested as saving the planet for 50 years ... and each year are just as far away, without a good storage solution. Each and every year is the false promise that just a few more years, just a few more years, just a few more million dead or ill because of fossil fuels.


How Many more must die or become ill?



How Many?


patb2009
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Re: Good news for nuclear
patb2009   5/11/2013 12:58:03 PM
John,

So Fukushima Dai-ichi is dead, dead, dead. We should never discuss the engineering failures

at Fuku because it's dead and we should concentrate on going forward.

 

Okay.

 

There are some 57 nuclear power plants in Japan that are still licensed or under construction.  

 

How high should the seawalls be around these?

Or are they dead too?

Totally_Lost
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Re: Good news for nuclear
Totally_Lost   5/11/2013 12:57:04 PM
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PatB writes: So what's your game plan john?

I've had an All electric household since 1972, with gas heat backup for a few years of that. With Diablo, and hydro that was easy in Calif. My San Luis Obispo apartment was down stairs, north side, no A/C, and all electric from 1975 to 1981. My Cupertino home was also all electric, no A/C, but did have gas backup for house heat, and pool heat besides solar. My San Luis Obispo home was all electric, no A/C, no gas, with pine trees shading the house from the south and west, from 1984 to 1994. My Colorado home for the last 20 years is also all electric, heat pump with A/C, and had gas for a few years as a backup. I had them pull the meter because it was used only a few hours a year, and the minimum charge made the per hour costs horribly expensive. Resistive heat in the heat pump has been a lot cheaper, for the few hours that it's really needed. I'm not crazy that Rawhide is coal/gas, with some hydro and wind, but it is what it is. A lot cleaner than burning wood, like too many do around me.


Have a strong preference for diesel's in my cars/trucks, with significantly better fuel economy. The TDI beetle at 46-48mpg is awesome, except my ex-wife has that now. Been looking for another one for me ... maybe one of the new ones next year, or the new Chevy Cruze diesel. I tend to keep cars and trucks to 500,000 miles or more, with good maintenence and rebuilds. Significantly lowers total cost of ownership, and cuts back on carbon footprint.


Most of my customers and clients are mountain folks, so all electric car/truck has marginal value here, except for a trip or two each week doing errands in town. Diesel hybrid would be nice.


I'm trying to get an HPV-EV product off the ground that will make a difference in many markets.


But the question remains ... how many people is it acceptable to kill and make sick, for the nuke free zone initiative?


 

patb2009
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Re: Good news for nuclear
patb2009   5/11/2013 12:31:37 PM
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so a  PBR needs a 4 Level containment.  What's the pressure rating of these containments?

 

What's the design basis leak rate that the gas flooding system needs to overcome?

should there be a sprinkler system to soak the Pebbles in the event of a fire?

 

 

patb2009
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Re: Good news for nuclear
patb2009   5/11/2013 12:27:24 PM
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John

I don't make the decisions to run large coal plants, these are made at the PUC and the

C Suites at Dominion, Entergy, Southern, etc.  The part of the world I'm responsible for,

I am responsible for. As a result, I've painted the roof on my house, solar white, so it's rejecting heat gain and we will hopefully before the end of may paint the south wall creamy white, with some trim.  That will hopefully, allow us to use a lot less A/C.  

I've got a 22K BTU Thermal panel, that we are in the process of installing, which should cut down our Nat Gas consumption by 85%, and, we have a low tech clothes line, that has allowed us to only take clothes to the laundromat twice last year.    

Now I could cut a lease deal with Solar City and put PV on the roof today, but, i'd rather

buy my own system, so i'm scratching together the funds to put up a Solar PV system.

My game plan is by the end of the year to be down carbon 90%.  

Now, the thing I really want to do is trade the Insight for a Volt, but, I really want to see if the 2014 model comes with a plugs out inverter, 

 

So what's your game plan john?

 

Totally_Lost
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Re: Good news for nuclear
Totally_Lost   5/11/2013 12:03:01 AM
you bitch about me not answering your question, but have for several days avoided answering mine:

you can continue whining, and pressing that issue, but compared to fossil fuel deaths and injuries, it's a a diversion from what is REALLY important and PREVENTABLE.

How many more babies must die to make you happy?

How many more people must get sick to make you happy?


Come on now ... how many more?


 

PV, CSP, and Wind have been around as long as Nuke Power generation, and have failed to become econmically successful too, because there isn't a good storage solution, and it requires keeping most of the fossil fuel generation around. Still creating polution, CO2 green house gases, and killing people.


So come on now ... how many of these deaths are acceptable to advance your nuke free zone initiative?


So come on now ... how many babies do you believe are acceptable to kill each year to have a nuke free zone?


So come on now ... how many kids do you believe are acceptable to kill each year to have a nuke free zone?


So come on now ... how many adults do you believe are acceptable to kill each year to have a nuke free zone?


So come on now ... how many babies, kids, and adults should be forced to suffer with illnesses to have a nuke free zone?


just numbers ... how many?


How many are acceptable moving forward?


How many?


Totally_Lost
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Re: Good news for nuclear
Totally_Lost   5/11/2013 12:00:49 AM
we have the answer ... I didn't take your bait for a debatable numerical number that doesn't help move forward ... that facility is DEAD, any answer isn't moving forward.

Totally_Lost
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Re: Good news for nuclear
Totally_Lost   5/10/2013 11:50:04 PM
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It doesn't need to be perfect, and still have high levels of safety.

All it needs to do is significantly slow down the rate of combustion, and allow a breached reactor containment  to be reflooded with helium, nitrogen, CO2, or anything that isn't  O2.

With a four level containment system, that just means flooding the 2nd, 3rd and 4th containments, with something other than O2 ... preferably ALL the time. N2 works, a number of gases work, that are unlikely to become radioactive, and form a practical multilayer protection against O2 reaching the inner reactor vessel.

 

 

patb2009
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Re: Good news for nuclear
patb2009   5/10/2013 11:42:06 PM
"Lets see if the Name Calling continues, or if a Engineering based Numerical Answer is given."

 

we have our answer.

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