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apresher
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Crowdsourcing App
apresher   3/28/2013 10:42:13 AM
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Excellent story and unique application for using mobile devices. I don't think I have the dexterity and coordination to make this work but I'm sure there is a whole generation of gamers than can help them gather data.  Thanks.

Ann R. Thryft
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Ann R. Thryft   3/28/2013 11:33:11 AM
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Glad you enjoyed the story, Al. I thought it was a fun app, and also good to know that at least some space agencies are open to the crowdsourcing concept. I've heard of SETI's requests for help from millions of people with PCs, but not anything about NASA using the crowdsourcing approach. Anyone know?

Charles Murray
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Re: Crowdsourcing App
Charles Murray   3/28/2013 7:00:16 PM
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Every time I see one of these stories, I can't help but think of an old Chicago-ism: "They're muscling in our rackets." Increasingly, I'm seeing a lot of tasks that robots can do more effectively than humans. And the kicker to this story is they now want all of us to help them learn. I know it's logical; it's all in the best interests of science and technology; it's probably helpful to mankind in a hundred different ways that I can't even imagine. Still, I have this niggling fear, and I know it's not the most enlightened view -- but they're muscling in our rackets.

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Raising Awareness
Greg M. Jung   3/28/2013 9:47:15 PM
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In addition to to using crowd sourcing to improve their design, ESA also builds public awareness to their space programs (which could ultimately lead to more favorable funding for certain programs by the public and their government).

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Re: Raising Awareness
a.saji   3/29/2013 12:01:19 AM
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@Greg: How does the Public Awareness thing work and what difference can it make ?     

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Crowdsourcing App
Ann R. Thryft   3/29/2013 11:52:27 AM
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Chuck, your comments make me think of black and white 40s gangster movies, many of them located in Chicago. Anyway, in this case I think teaching robots how to dock on the ISS makes more sense than trying to teach humans to do it. Of course, astronauts and people who want to be astronauts might not agree.

Charles Murray
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Re: Crowdsourcing App
Charles Murray   3/29/2013 12:13:06 PM
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Ann, maybe there's a movie here -- a cross between 2001: A Space Odyssey and Public Enemy. As to it making sense for applications that humans don't want to do, I concur. From a completely logical standpoint, I know that robotics make sense in countless applications. Admittedly, my fear is illogical. Still, every time I read one of these stories...

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naperlou   3/31/2013 10:11:13 PM
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Al, one aspect of AI that these researchers are trying to fulfill with crowdsourcing is to gather lots of data (lots of people in the crowd).  Even if you were not very skilled at it, that data might be useful as well.

Ann R. Thryft
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Ann R. Thryft   4/1/2013 11:44:24 AM
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Greg, I think that's an example of a good PR campaign: it raises awareness, accomplishes something beneficial to a wide audience, and therefore makes the ESA look like good guys.

Ann R. Thryft
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Ann R. Thryft   4/1/2013 11:51:23 AM
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The main point of crowdsourcing is big numbers, so lots of data. In this case, ESA has designed the app to motivate players to do an excellent job, thus providing the type of data they want, i.e., what are the best ways to approach Object A reliably with millions of copies of Object B, in turn learning methods that can be taught to other robots.

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