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dulang
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
dulang   3/12/2013 11:59:44 AM
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Chri. In your book how do you address the replacement tax that will be needed as petrol use declines. In the distant past the DOT controlled the highway use tax but now it is in the general fund and someone must "pay". Will we (property owners) all pay higher realestate tax to compensate for the drop in petrol tax revenue? Currently the USA exports more refined petroleum prodects than we import foreign crude (or the Fed numbers are wrong) so we can get by without importing crude for fuel. We are importing crude to make a profit and keep our people working.

Rigby5
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
Rigby5   3/12/2013 11:59:24 AM
Since no one is making the simple brown shoe minimal car with great mileage, I am not sure I understand the idea of disliking uniformity?  We are buying uniform cars, but just expensive ones with bad mileage.

Rigby5
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
Rigby5   3/12/2013 11:56:58 AM
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All electric has more than 100 mile range, so that can't be true.  But all electric cars can easily double their range with simple changes like removing electric heat and going alcohol catalytic heat.  More difficult but still easy would be things like swapable batteries, generator trailers, extreme size reduction, etc.

Rigby5
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
Rigby5   3/12/2013 11:52:15 AM
Most people just can't afford $35k.  I need the old car for weekends.  I just want a week day commuter that is for 1 or 2 people, but has to cost less than $15k.  I don't care if it has 3 wheels or 4.  That is what a lot of people want.  No one sells it.  It could easily be made.

NHOutbacker
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Re: future bailouts
NHOutbacker   3/12/2013 11:20:06 AM
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My memory may be failing me, but when was the last time Ford was bailed out?

When we talk about "bailing out the American Auto industry", it should be understood that we bailed out GM and sold Chrysler to the Italians.  Ford stood on its own.  Why? They build cars that people want to buy.

Davek3gau
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
Davek3gau   3/12/2013 11:12:00 AM
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Americans are individualists formost and always!!  We don't all want 'brown shoe' cars.

We have started to look for a replacement for our present car.  Going to the car lots all we seem to see are white, black, grey, silver or red BOXES!  Whatever happened to cars with pretty colors?  Whatever happened to cars that don't pretty much all look alike?  We don't want Hitler's 'volkswagons' or Henry Ford's color: BLACK!!

High mileage is nice and we would like it too but not at the price of being stuck in a BOX like everyone has!

I think that is what makes these high end cars that are 'different' attractive even though we can't afford one!  

ChriSharek
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
ChriSharek   3/12/2013 10:48:16 AM
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We are on the same page then, GTO Lover.  To me, gas is for retro cars, motorcyles, and plain old making a throaty exhaust note. 

The beauty of the Volt is that it's first electric, but use the gas for the distance, if needed!  It's like buying two cars in one really.  Expensive?  Not really when you consider this. 

The Prius Plug-in starts at $32k, goes a whopping 12 miles on a charge, isn't eligible for the $7,500 tax credit, and doesn't have all the options my Volt has. But, it'll sell like hotcakes.  WHY?  WHY are we (again, that American Public I don't understand) CHOOSING this vehicle that is clearly less efficient, has a longer ROR, supports a foreign GNP, and looks not nearly as cool?

I just don't understand . .. 

GTOlover
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
GTOlover   3/12/2013 10:14:12 AM
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I am in the process of purchasing a 2000 Honda Insight, so I am not an evil oil guy. With optimized driving (hypermiling), I expect to get about 60 - 70 MPG for about $6k!

All electric is outside of my daily driving range. I would not make it to work and back home!

GTOlover
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
GTOlover   3/12/2013 10:11:01 AM
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I do not know the mind of the American consumer. But your Harley purchase may give a clue. We like big and loud cost be dammed. I do not doubt the cost savings you get with your Volt. Kudos! But the discussion was why do American companies make expensive cars that get marginally better MPG (or in your case excellent MPG but still expensive). Where are the cheap high MPG cars?

ChriSharek
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
ChriSharek   3/12/2013 10:03:50 AM
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GTO Lover, don't get me wrong . . . I took my $7,500 tax credit and bought a Harley VROD.  I am no tree-hugging freak.  :)

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