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ChriSharek
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
ChriSharek   3/12/2013 10:02:48 AM
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So, GM makes a $35,000 vehicle that gets 200+ MPG and consumers don't buy it. Why?  Help me understand that.    On electricity, it costs me 1/3 of using gas (at 37 MPG).  3 cents per mile instead of 10 cents per mile. 

I'm also using 100% domestic energy instead of 60% foreign oil.  How do these two things not make cents/sense to the American Consumer?

Due to this massive misunderstanding, I'm in the process of finalizing my book with my publisher - due out 3/31/13. All the costs, fuel, electricity usage, etc. 

Help me understand why the average American just wants to continue supporting the 100+ year old internal combustion engine?

GTOlover
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Re: Beauty or Efficiency?
GTOlover   3/12/2013 9:36:58 AM
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GM is clearly committed to keeping its political clout in tact.

I know you love the Volt, but it is not making the company money and if continued, expect another taxpayer bailout (see Rigby5 comment)!

GTOlover
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Re: future bailouts
GTOlover   3/12/2013 9:33:23 AM
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I agree with your premise, but we must ask ourselves why do we keep bailing out the American auto industry?

I suggest that it is a combination of politics and consumers really want those kind of cars.  Consumers say they want the cheap, high MPG cars like the rest of the world, but they do not want to drive one. I personally like my older cars, but reality is that I need a high MPG and will relegate my older cars to limited driving/collection pieces.

We all wish we could have one of these cars, but if I had the 3.4 million dollar car I would be afraid to drive it!

On the political front, well crony capitalism trumps free markets because it is about buying votes! We voters keep voting the same political hacks (both parties) and expect different results (or just any results).

ChriSharek
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Beauty or Efficiency?
ChriSharek   3/12/2013 9:32:36 AM
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GM is clearly committed to improving its efficiency - but without sacrificing beauty.  I was at the Detroit Show in January.  The Corvette and the Cadillac ELR were the stars of the show.  I used to want a Corvette, but now having driven electric, there is no going back.  The ELR will be my next car.

VadimR
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Re: Not what customers want
VadimR   3/12/2013 9:29:08 AM
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I'm a consumer.  I'm 32 with likely a few vehicles that I will be purchasing in my life time.  I want a very simple 80-100 mpg, very light 3 wheeled vehicle for commuting for days when the weather is not very appealing for my motorcycle or bicycle (rain/snow/salt).  The ELIO is almost it, but even they are putting 3 airbags into the vehicle.  I want a basic $5k vehicle that has a roof, is reliable, and gets great mpg.  I don't want ABS, airbags, traction control, satalite radio, GPS, remote start, power windows, power seats, etc.  I don't even need a radio.

Charles Murray
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Re: future bailouts
Charles Murray   3/11/2013 10:06:35 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree.

Rigby5
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future bailouts
Rigby5   3/11/2013 8:58:34 PM
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Three times now gasoline prices have soared and US automakers had to be bailed out because they made expensive cars with low mpg.  It happens about every decade.  It will likely happen again soon as the conflict with Iran continues.  I like these cars, but the dessert does not replace the potatoes in a meal.

Charles Murray
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Re: Not what customers want
Charles Murray   3/11/2013 7:59:17 PM
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I agree that consumers don't want to pay a price anywhere near what's mentioned here, Rigby5. That said, these articles always seem to pique reader interest, so I assume that somewhere deep inside, some consumers are interested, By the way, the three Lamborghinis have already been sold. Who buys them, I don't know.  

Rigby5
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Re: Not what customers want
Rigby5   3/11/2013 7:18:38 PM
Yes there will always be a place and interest in high end performance. 

But the article said this prototype showed consumer interest, and that is not true.  It shows manufacturer interest.

And no one in this country is making $10 brown shoes yet when it comes to cars.  Asia and Europe are, but we won't let them import those 80 mpg cars here, and the US makers refuse to produce our own domestic ones.  That is making the customers more and more unhappy.  These cars are nice, but all they are making are $500 shoes.  Where are the $10 brown shoes?  Hybrids are not $10 brown shoes. 

Thinking_J
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Re: Not what customers want
Thinking_J   3/11/2013 4:28:50 PM
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Simple , 80 mpg, light, .. sure people want these things but after all the manufacturers make cars that meet these simple requirements.. they will want safety, power , handling, excitement  for only $5K!

Otherwise , what is will differentiate one car from the next? or do you think we should all have brown shoes?

The automotive industry pays big bucks to to find what will sell. And they haven't found a single solution for all mankind... they compromise and produce multiple solutions with the technology they currently have.

I like the idea there is a place in the world for exotics.. on one thinks they will work for the masses.. and that is OK.

Dang! I think 26 mpg , 0-60 in 4 seconds, 1G side load..  addresses a lot of compromises.

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