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naperlou
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is this new
naperlou   12/17/2012 10:30:40 AM
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Cabe, is it really the case that Indy cars do not take advantage of CAD software?  I find this interesting, since many years ago (over 20), when purchasing a large computer system for the engineering department of an aerospace plant we ran into CAD and CAE use by Formula 1.  This was the example that many of the computer vendors were using then.  I guess that Indy cars are a bit less sophiscated (and much less expensive) than Formula 1 cars, but I would have thought there was much more CAD and CAE going on.

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Re: is this new
Cabe Atwell   12/17/2012 3:38:25 PM
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I am sure they use CAD to design parts. But Autodesk is a complete package for CAD and simulation.  I never would have recommended all-in-one packages in the past, but this setup does look useful. The only down side to Autodesk's suite is their 3D drawing package. From my experience, they have a long way to go to catch up to Solidwork's ease.

Just a thought.

C

dougbresnahan
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Re: is this new
dougbresnahan   12/17/2012 7:43:56 PM
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CAD software is deflintely not new to IndyCar.  Andretti Autosport (IndyCar team owned by Michael Andretti) has been using Siemens PLM CAD software for nearly 10 years.  Our use of Siemens PLM solutions actually goes back nearly 20 years to the earliest evolution of our team which began in the mid-90's via Team Green/Andretti Green Racing/Andretti Autosport and the early evolution of Siemens PLM Software via SDRC/EDS/UGS/Siemens PLM.  Proud to say our use of Siemens PLM NX and Teamcenter solutions has helped us win 4 IndyCar Series Championships (2004, 2005, 2007 and 2012), along with 2 Indy 500 wins (2005 and 2007). 

warren@fourward.com
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Re: is this new
warren@fourward.com   12/18/2012 9:38:31 AM
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How much CAD do you need for a car that just goes counterclockwise in a circle?

ChasChas
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ChasChas   12/18/2012 11:40:21 AM
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Solidworks is easier for the novice - say a single engine airplane.

Autodesk has all the bells a whistles for the serious pilot - say a bizjet.

Autodesk is also more intuitive when getting into "hardcore" engineering.

Been there.

Cabe Atwell
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Re: is this new
Cabe Atwell   12/18/2012 3:18:09 PM
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Chas,

What Autodesk 3D package are you saying is intuitive? "Inventor?" I personally don't care for it. Can you name a few features that Autodesk does better?

C

ChasChas
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Re: is this new
ChasChas   12/18/2012 4:02:35 PM
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I think you brought it out quite well in this article, Autodesk Product Design Suite software programs are designed to work together seamlessly.

A simpler solid modeling package would not cross over as well as Inventor is designed to do. Inventor has more "buttons" and options to do this so it's not as simple.

In the normal course of things, I only use a small part of what Inventor has available. It's simple if you don't let what you don't need at the time confuse you.

And the seamlessness of whole software suite is very intuitive for heavy lifting.

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AUTODESK AND IZOD
bobjengr   12/26/2012 12:31:19 PM
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 Cabe--I had no idea Autodesk had CFD as one element.  I had better go back and take another look at this package.  My experience with AutoCAD is very basic and reduces to mere drafting.   I think your last statement says it all when you mention companies designing equipment and machinery for sporting events had better consider the "physics" and engineering aspects of design when producing a product AND CAD can be the basic tool for that endeavor.

Cabe Atwell
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Cabe Atwell   12/26/2012 5:43:05 PM
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However the Indy car scene developed cars or tested in the past probably required quite a bit of hands on work. With switching to simulations, I worry that there will be too much reliance on the software over time. People will pass the buck, so to speak, on responsibility after that.

I have seen that be the case even with electrical circuit simulation. They blamed the simulator for an error in design.

C

Cabe Atwell
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Re: AUTODESK AND IZOD
Cabe Atwell   12/26/2012 5:43:14 PM
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However the Indy car scene developed cars or tested in the past probably required quite a bit of hands on work. With switching to simulations, I worry that there will be too much reliance on the software over time. People will pass the buck, so to speak, on responsibility after that.

I have seen that be the case even with electrical circuit simulation. They blamed the simulator for an error in design.

C



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