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William K.
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Re: IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
William K.   12/18/2012 8:27:01 PM
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Undetected coupling mechanisms are certainly a very rational explanation, and it would have been very educational to understand the exact path of entry. But a system not specificly designed to reject that sort of interference is likely to suffer from it on occasion. BUt the appearance of signals underground is nothing new, cave explorers have been sending signals much deeper underground, using much less power, for many years. 

I recall an interesting "discovery" made and published by a consultant that I was working with. It related to the "instant" travel of an acoustic wave through steel, with very little loss. When I tried to duplicate his results in our lab, using a more sophisticated setup and accurate instrumentation, I was unable to duplicate his results until one of my ground connections failed. At that point our waveforms matched very well. But the signal was arriving by electrical conduction, not by acoustical transport.

From that point onward, every one of my experiments included a reality check, to verify that the results changed if the ground was disconnected. Sometimes we can learn from the mistakes that others make.  

vandamme
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Re: Thinking outside the box
vandamme   12/18/2012 10:08:37 PM
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I've been designing, building, and operating military radar transmitters since 1968. The pilot who told you that radar antennas emit "classified radiation" was incorrect.

I hope to see more April 1 articles in Design News. they are hilarious!

Critic
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Science Fiction
Critic   12/19/2012 10:14:30 AM
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There's undoubtedly a good reason that few engineers know about "scalar energy."

I would like to propose another theory about the mysterious waveform:  aliens landed.  They visited Earth for one day and then left.  While they were here, they used their zug-zug guns to capture unknown energy sources.

tedtw
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Space and energy
tedtw   12/19/2012 11:19:04 AM
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Scalar energy is not fiction. Many physicists which I am not allowed to name here are aware of scalar energy. Few engineers understand why constant values are used for AC equations, but not DC.

Many engineers do not understand (or question) why AC transmission lines have all their energy on the outside surface. Cross-country transmission lines have steel cores for strength, since no real power flows through the steel. But DC transmission lines use the entire conductor cross section and suffer ohmic losses over short distannces, as Edison found out. Why? It is the changing voltage of AC that creates a coupling into the surrounding space-time.

Constant values used for some AC equations actually remove the relationship between the circuit and surrounding space-time. Is this property demonstrable? When coax cables are mismatched with load impedances, gain occurs at certain frequencies. All one needs is a scope, coax cable, a load and a signal generator to prove it. All energy has an source. In this case is the surrounding space-time. Surrounding space-time couples into AC power transmission lines couple to. Space-time is the reason scalar energy exists.

Where does the inductive kick from an inductor or relay coil come from when the applied voltage is suddenly removed? How can a coil develop back EMF of about 10 times the applied voltage it was energized with? All energy must have a source and cannot come from nothing. The source of this energy IS the surrounding space-time, and is scalar in nature. Tesla was aware of this source and utilized it.

Tool_maker
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So we do not know everything
Tool_maker   12/19/2012 1:08:26 PM
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e  It is articles like this and the following discusssions that make this site so facinating. All of the contributers are learned people, but cannot agree on whether or not the problem can even exist. Go back to early in the discussion and reread Ann R. Thryft's comment. How many things in history were impossible, before they were done?

  So there is something in your field in which you have limited or no knowledge. Does that mean it is impossible fiction? I think it is more likely that when the only tool you have is a hammer, there is a great tendency to treat all problems as nails. The original author had a problem, tracked it to the source and made it go away. I say, "Great job', and let it go. The fact that I do not understand what transpired does not make it a lie.

  When someone tells me to google something, I always wonder which of the 3 million hits I should read and believe. Google is only another tool in finding an answer, it is not THE answer.

RFI-EMI-GUY
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Re: So we do not know everything
RFI-EMI-GUY   1/2/2013 8:41:18 PM
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The problem with this article is that the author has not determined the method of detection of this bi-polar signal. It simply went away and the author has "assigned" scalar waves" as a cause.

It has been my experience that RF signals having very high rise times in amplitude can drive apparently well shielded circuits crazy. My first experience with susceptibility of this sort was a particular UHF Motorlola handheld radio (MX300 series). These crystal controlled radios had a very abrupt transmitter turn on. Using one near just about any type of audio gear would generate a very noticeble "click". Later with the iDen (NEXTEL) and other TDMA products, it was observed that periodic clicking was heard in any nearby audio device or landline speaker phone .

I have no doubt, the microwave emenations cited by the author were the cause, however the detection phenomenon was left unexplored.

Could it have been so simple as a set/reset occuring in the overloaded op amp circuit hitting the rails? Perhaps the author was fooled by the triggering mode of his scope to beleive that it was a bi-polar signal?

I beleive this was simple case of the equipment being susceptible to the external microwave signals, that perhaps due to some "luck" were entering ductwork or cabling into the lab at just the correct instant of antenna position and pulse timing to deliver the full brunt of the magnetron. Perhaps it will return when the antenna rotation changes phase.

I rest my case.

 

Tool_maker
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Re: So we do not know everything
Tool_maker   1/3/2013 6:45:12 AM
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Luck is always a good thing to have when debugging any problem. It is not reliable and can rarely be dupicated, but I celebrate its existance.

AlbertL
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Re: Space and energy
AlbertL   1/7/2013 7:21:02 PM
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"Where does the inductive kick from an inductor or relay coil come from when the applied voltage is suddenly removed?"

 

Where does the current come from when a charged capacitor is suddenly short circuited?  Collapsing electric field in this case, collapsing magnetic field in the inductor case.   You certainly don't need a nebulous scalar space-time explanation for that...

Phil Hobbs
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Re: Space and energy
Phil Hobbs   1/7/2013 8:12:10 PM
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Hello, anybody here remember their undergraduate electromagnetics classes?  In a propagating EM wave in a lossless medium, E and B are in phase at all times.  If there's a phase shift between them, it comes from gain or loss in the medium.
 

But of course there are lots of scalar waves known.  The most common one is called "sound". 


Cheers

 

Phil Hobbs

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Re: Space and energy
Critic   1/8/2013 5:02:19 PM
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No, the gain is from space-time :-)

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