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Ann R. Thryft
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Re: ALL-CARBON SOLAR
Ann R. Thryft   1/9/2013 12:02:38 PM
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Charlie, you took the words right out of my mouth. As a consumer, I am continually frustrated by the apparent inability of manufacturers to give  performance specs about their products in terms that not only make sense to me, but that are actually usable in an on-the-ground kind of way, not abstract numbers. My anti-favorite one is "joule", used by home office UPS makers. I can never, ever remember what it means and when I look it up, it still means nothing in terms of my home office equipment. But the first thing UPS makers ask is "how many joules do you need?" Sure, I'm an electrician and I think in joules every day, uh-huh. No guys--you're supposed to tell me how many I need based on the info I can provide you.

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Re: ALL-CARBON SOLAR
rv7charlie   1/9/2013 9:58:20 AM
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Earlier posts mentioned 'efficiency' being the #1 issue. While that may be true, it begs the question: How do you measure efficiency? In a spacecraft, it's watts per sq in & watts per pound. But for an individual user like me who wants to make electricity for my home & vehicles, that's meaningless. The only thing I care about is watts per dollar. If this tech can reduce environmental costs, materials costs, production costs, and installation costs (all 'per watt'), that's where I'll put my money.

Charlie

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: ALL-CARBON SOLAR
Ann R. Thryft   1/4/2013 3:03:45 PM
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It's also the case that storing heat for heating water--in large sealed water bottles, rocks and even earth walls--is a lot easier to do than storing "energy" in some other form. It's also been done already.

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ALL-CARBON SOLAR
bobjengr   12/21/2012 5:21:30 PM
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Akwaman--You are absolutely correct.  Water heating is a significant factor in energy usage and solar water heating is definitely one viable solution to that problem--when possible.  Years ago, I worked for a water heater manufacturer and one item in our product line was a water heater using solar roof-top panels to "collect" the sun's rays and provide for heating.  We had auxilary heating elements when needed during inclement weather.  The issue in the southeast was considerable cloud cover that negated available sunlight--and lengthened the ROI.  Any advancement such as the one Ann is describing is definitely welcomed to that particular industry.  As advancements in solar technology progress, we will see added sales and resurgence in usage even in the most difficult environmental situations.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Reducing Exotic Materials
Ann R. Thryft   12/14/2012 12:46:46 PM
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Thanks, Greg. The researchers specifically mentioned the increasing difficulty of procuring those minerals as a motivator to go to all-carbon.

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Reducing Exotic Materials
Greg M. Jung   12/13/2012 8:58:01 PM
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I especially like the part about the elimination of indium and silver in this process.  As exotic and rare minerals become hard to procure (and with their unequal distribution for each country), this characteristic will make this option more and more attractive.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Thinking out of the box
Ann R. Thryft   12/10/2012 3:49:31 PM
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akwaman, I totally agree with you about solar. We've known for decades about how much energy there is free for our use and have done relatively little with that knowledge except invent an industry--PV solar--that makes all that sunlight a lot more difficult and expensive to use than it needs to be. I also agree about the hot water advantage: that's where I saw the heat storage potential of rocks and water used to best advantage--way back in the 70s.

akwaman
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Re: Thinking out of the box
akwaman   12/10/2012 2:26:10 PM
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Hats off to those forward thinkers at Stanford!  Ann, I know it is hard to believe, but the best passive use for solar is... tanning! LOL... just kidding.  You are correct that passive use of solar it a good thing that is certainly not utilized enough.  Light tubes and better house design should absolutely be integrated into all modern designs (but they are not).  But seriously overlooked is solar hot water, which would save this country an enormous amount of power requirements (the avg is 30% of utility bill from hot water), and it is VERY cost effective, much more so than solar PV.  There have been recent advancements in PV that I believe will provide 25% or bettter efficiency in the next 10 years commercially, using cheaper technology than available today.  But it must be coupled with other forms of solar power generation, like the hot salt method, that retains heat and provides power through the night without batteries.  The sun provides more power than we can even use, we just have to figure out how to harness it the best and most efficient way.

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Re: Thinking out of the box
Ann R. Thryft   12/10/2012 12:47:35 PM
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Thanks, Cadman-LT and akwaman. Thinking out of the box is something Stanford is known for, so I like to follow that university's research efforts (along with Harvard and MIT). But I'm still not convinced that any form of active solar--PV or otherwise--is the best way to do solar. Sunlight can be used for passive solar, which has a history of a few thousand years of human engineering. I've seen some amazing results of combining that old know-how with modern, precise engineering.

akwaman
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Thinking out of the box
akwaman   12/10/2012 10:18:54 AM
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This is a perfect example of thinking out-of-the-box, which is necessary to make the advancements in solar photovoltaics.  It won't take much to make solar photovoltaics mainstream and part of every home, everywhere.  Sunlight is the largest and most under-utilized source of energy we have on the planet.

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