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Great information.

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Love It!!!  Thank you for the information.  Please send &/or give more information in the future!

Very productive.

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Excellent presentation

Iron

Here is an even easier link to download a PowerPoint from:

http://web.tofinosecurity.com/download-the--presentation-SCADA-Security-in-a-Post-Stuxnet-World

Iron

For everyone who wants a PowerPoint, I have one that closely matches this talk. Go to http://www.tofinosecurity.com/professional/scada-and-cip-security-post-stuxnet-world to download.

Iron

Unfortunately it is not illegal to publish vulnerbility or sell attack code. My understanding is that it isn't likley to change either - it is possible to make specific acts illegal (such as hacking), but restricting the sharing of information runs into Freedom of Speech issues.

Plus the fact that people can just post the tools on a foreign website (e.g. Gleg is in Russia) makes enforcement really tough.

The best way to discourage disgruntled emplyees from causing harm or criminals from stealing and selling secrets is to make it more trouble to do than it is worth. Bad guys only stopped robbing trains and stage coaches when the difficulty of achieving sucess exceeded the likelyhood of a making money. In otherwords, the RoI in hacking needs toi change to make it unprofitable. Right now it is too easy and too profitable.

Iron

Thanks so much, Eric, for a great presentation. 

Blogger

Is it illegal to publish vulnerbility or sell attack code for profit ? Are there changes in legal system to remedy the situation, to discourage say disgruntled emplyees from causing harm?

Iron

Yes, Eric. One of the problems I've seen is with process control systems. You can't shut down the plant overnight to put in patches.

Blogger

Unfortunately, for many companies, there still is a conflict between engineers and IT departments when it comes to security. This is bad, becuase it often leave a gaps for the bad guy to slip in.


The main reason for the conflict are the different UNSTATED assumptions between IT and automation. For example, there is often an assumption in IT that a short reboot of a system is not an issue, especially if it happens at midnight.  Obviously automation engineers don't agree.

Getting these these assumption in the open and deciding on how to address the differences if the key to solving the issues. Good companies (Dow Chemicals comes to mind) have really found a way for that dialog to occur.

Iron

Eric, is there still a conflict between the needs of control engineers and the needs of IT?

Blogger

Hi Vlad


The two crucial terms used in ISA 62443 2-1 standard are Zones and Conduits. But I am slow typist so I can point you to a detailed white paper on the topic at http://web.tofinosecurity.com/download-the-white-paper-using-ansi-/-isa-99-standards-to-improve-control-system-security

It defines most of the key terms. The other place is the actual ISA 62443 2-1 standard. Unfortunately you must purchase that from www.isa.org

Iron

Eric you mentioned about the zones at the critical points in the Control System to allow the uncontrolled parameters settle there

Does the same technique apply to the database management software run by IT companies?

Iron

Thank you Rob for the archive audio

Iron

The biggest biggest threat right now is likely the disgruntled employee. However over the next few years, for most companies it will be a mix of organized crime and competitors. For companies with high strategic value (like oil and gas) foreign government agencies are a significant risk. Terrorists are low on the list for me.

 
Iron

Nrali S -- The archive audio of this presentation should be available now.

Blogger

thats okay Rob

Eric can you please list those crucial terms used like ISA 62443 2-1 standard etc so that I can I just google it to get extra info?

 

Iron

The Radio Show will be available for on-demand listening after the show ends today, so you can hear it then.

Iron

Really fascinating presentation, Eric and Rob. A question: Is there still a conflict between engineers and IT departments when it comes to security?

Iron

Is there a way to get the audio recording?

Iron

Sorry about the acronyms. Any you would really like me to explain? Security or automation acronyms?

 

Iron

Vlad, this program didn't come with Power Point slides.

Blogger

Do you mind uploading the powerpoint presentation if possible?

Iron

thank you Eric

 

 

Iron

By the way, many thanks to Freescale for sponsering Eric's presentation.

Blogger

You have used a lot of aronyms, can you explain these?

Iron

Who's the biggest threat, Eric? The disgruntled employee? The competitors? Terrorists?

Blogger

Let us know if you have any questions for Eric. He will begin answering questions at the half hour.

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Iron

Hello from Albuquerque, New Mexico

Blogger

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