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Charles Murray
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Re: Last to the Party
Charles Murray   12/6/2012 4:34:31 PM
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Good point, tekochip. It's often said that it's best to be second. Let the trailblazer make the mistakes. But it's important to be right behind that trailblazer, otherwise you might be left behind.

Charles Murray
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Re: Purely EV are not as Eco Friendly as you might believe...
Charles Murray   12/6/2012 4:30:07 PM
Professor Michalek and the other contributors, who wrote the paper that was published by the National Academies, were very clear in saying that the Leaf has no emissions from the tailpipe. Their point is that when you weigh the emissions from the battery manufacturing process, and add those to the utility powerplant emissions, the pure electric vehicles don't do as well as hybrids.  

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Re: Last to the Party
Charles Murray   12/6/2012 4:22:54 PM
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No, Architect, I don't think Mark Reuss was joking when he said "electrify and educate." That said, it might not necessarily mean that GM is planning a headlong dive into pure electric cars. He could have been making a reference to powertrains like that of the Chevy Volt, which has gasoline on board, and isn't a pure electric. The reason that some of the experts believe GM is "dipping a toe in the water" with the Spark is that its U.S. sales will be in California initially, whereas companies like Tesla and Nissan are making a broader effort.

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Re: The "WHY" is easy
GTOlover   12/6/2012 4:09:28 PM
Not to mention that donating to the right party ensures taxpayers continue to pay if your R and D goes bankrupt! Nothing like free markets (as dictated by the state and federal government) to stimulate sales <sarc>.

Thinking_J
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Re: Purely EV are not as Eco Friendly as you might believe...
Thinking_J   12/6/2012 4:03:28 PM
Your Leaf has zero .... REALLY zero.... emissions?

Let us forget - for the moment - where you get your electricity.

no tire wear? (it doesn't all go to making a thicker road!)

no plastic parts that out gas fumes while degrading?

no paved road requirements? Most made with asphalt (oil based)

no lubricants used on those electric motors?

Unlimited life span to this car? (re-cycling, re-purposing, is rarely without emissions)

 

Like my mom said.....

If I have told you once , I have told you a billion times! Stop exaggerating!

......You were supposed to laugh...(sigh)

randy2000nc
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Business Model Fails
randy2000nc   12/6/2012 2:59:33 PM
A key sticking point in the business model of electrical vehicles is the resell value. When the owner goes to trade their vehicle after several years of use it is very likely that the battery will require replacement. How could the seller expect to get a decent sales price for the car when any future buyer would also have to splurge for a new battery? I'm not sure about the rest of you but I always look for a good trade-in on one of my older vehicles prior to buying a new one.

tedhastings
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Re: Purely EV are not as Eco Friendly as you might believe...
tedhastings   12/6/2012 1:58:14 PM
So are you using solar or wind power to recharge it?

billvon
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Re: Purely EV are not as Eco Friendly as you might believe...
billvon   12/6/2012 1:05:06 PM
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I have a Leaf and it is indeed zero emission.  No CO2 (or any other form of pollution) at all.

Thinking_J
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Re: Last to the Party
Thinking_J   12/6/2012 12:52:18 PM
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Your assessments.. are spot on!

At least two distinct methods of reasoning for the players in this market getting out EVs at this time.

Both are a bit like some people's view of the lottery.... you can't win, if you don't play.

Like the lottery, it is very likely there will be more lost than won... the cost of getting in the game!

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Re: Purely EV are not as Eco Friendly as you might believe...
Island_Al   12/6/2012 12:31:19 PM
Amclaussen has it right.  The next to the last paragraph talks about "zero-emission"?  Only the point of emission has changed, not the actual emissions. Politicians make lousy engineers.  Maybe they can just rewrite the laws of physics and viola, problem solved!  It is not only the seen, but the unseen.

 

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