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Jack Rupert, PE
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Re: Hybrids beating EVs
Jack Rupert, PE   11/30/2012 5:02:13 PM
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Actually, Rob, I'm starting to be surprised that there isn't some blowback yet toward the regulations coming out of places like Europe or California.  Sooner or later, the big players are going hit a cost benefit wall and decide to abandon one of these markets.  It will be interesting to see who blinks first in that situation.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Hybrids beating EVs
Rob Spiegel   11/30/2012 5:35:41 PM
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Good point, Jack. Whatever regulations coming out of California or Europe will affect all production. Manufacturers are not going to make separate products just for California or Europe. RoHS proved that.

Charles Murray
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Re: Hybrids beating EVs
Charles Murray   11/30/2012 6:42:43 PM
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Yes, it's a good point, Jack. Right now, automakers are getting government subsidies for building alternative fuel vehicles, which softens the risk for them. If those subsidies go away, we might see someone blink.

Geoff Thomas
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Re: Hybrids beating EVs
Geoff Thomas   6/13/2013 3:15:00 AM
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Hey Irishmuse, where did you get your info, my understanding is that Large wind turbines replace their energy debt quite quickly, - a 1 meg machine I read about says, "Within 4 months of operation a Nordic 1000 has generated enough energy to pay back the energy used in it's manufacture, transports, installation and destruction.

Solar panels used to be two years, but more modern Solar panels are more efficient and use less material so that would be less, perhaps much less.

I can't imagine any Nuclear plant including the energy debt of it's destruction in it's analysis except to say, "the sins of the father will be visited upon the sons to the 3rd and 4th generation", but I fear that that is no where near long enough with Nuclear waste

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