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bobjengr
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bobjengr   6/17/2013 6:32:24 PM
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Ann--Great slide presentation.  I certainly wish I could have been there to witness the event in person.  Looks as though just about all manufacturers have an entry in the show.  I do feel alternative solutions are needed for the "post-petroleum" era.  It may be 200 or 300 years off but it's coming.  Again--great post.

akwaman
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akwaman   12/13/2012 8:38:51 AM
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NiteOwl_OvO doesn't really speak about the other really big problem with nuclear:  We can't figure out what to do with the radioactive waste, so we bury in giant caverns in the earth where it will remain lethal for a millenia.  With a large number of nuclear plants we would be sequestering large amounts of radioactive waste underground.  You want that stuff in your backyard?  Or even in your country?  There are far better and cleaner ways to get energy.

NiteOwl_OvO
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Re: Electric autos
NiteOwl_OvO   11/16/2012 3:24:56 PM
I'm affraid you are quite mistaken. A closed-loop or binary cycle geothermal system can be used to generate power. There is no venting of anything to the atmosphere with this type of system. As far as nuclear power is concerned, I'm only reporting the facts as reported by people who have actually been there and know what is happening. People who claim that nuclear power is clean are refusing to acknowledge the rather significant problems and only see what they want to see. Nuclear power is cheap and clean up to a point. Unfortunately, beyond that point it is neither. Dealing with the waste is expensive. Cleaning up leaks and spills is expensive and many times can never be totally cleaned up.

Nuclear power and the waste generated are not likely to go away any time soon, though. More than 70% of the spent nuclear fuel SNF and radioactive high-level waste R-HLW are produced by the US Navy and DOE. We expect to have around 104,000 tons of SNF in the US by 2035.

Cheers!

TommyH
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Re: Electric autos
TommyH   11/16/2012 7:53:29 AM
I'm afraid you are wrong again.  Geothermal produces more radioactive polution than nukes or coal plants due to the leaching of radon  and other radioactive materials from the earth.  Coal always has thorium and uranium isotopes that are released into the atmosphere.  Wind and hydro are the only "clean" alternatives at the moment.  Nuclear isn't the monster you make it out to be.  Most of the rad dose you get is from natural sources,  only a small fraction is from human activities.

Jerry dycus
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Re: Electric autos
Jerry dycus   11/15/2012 7:46:39 PM
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  Hi Charles and All,

 

                     I just tested the rolling chassis of my new 2wh EV Streamliner which I was worried about as the CG was 60% lower than a normal MC but it handled excellently so I'm a go to complete it and it's body.

 

                        As it's light, lighter than the Kaw 750 suspension donor, and will me far more aero than any real road vehile I know of.  Because of this  it only needs a small battery pack and as weight equals costs it's not expensive to do and put into production.

 

                         I'll have it at Daytona Bike Week in March with another EcoMobile production aero cabin MC powered by a new  BMW motor and suspension. for anyone there we will be hard to miss.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   11/15/2012 6:33:16 PM
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Jerry, we're in agreement regarding your comment about the need for lower cost, lower tech, lighter EVs. If the cost is low enough, it would enable consumers to buy pure electric vehicles as second cars. Then we wouldn't have to worry about squeezing 300 miles out of the battery.

NiteOwl_OvO
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Re: Electric autos
NiteOwl_OvO   11/15/2012 3:05:52 PM
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We really have no idea how many deaths have occured due to nuclear power production. How many cases of cancer have resulted from spilled liquid high-level waste or contamination of river and ground water? Thousands I would think. The death toll from Chernobyl alone is over 985,000 according to 3 noted Russian scientists. How many have died or will die in Japan resulting from their nuclear power mishap?


How many people have to die before nuclear power becomes "dirty"?

NiteOwl_OvO
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Re: Electric autos
NiteOwl_OvO   11/15/2012 2:43:05 PM
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Dycus should drink first, since he threw the first punch. Cheers!

warren@fourward.com
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Re: Electric autos
warren@fourward.com   11/15/2012 12:35:33 PM
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I think Lithium is wasted on batteries and should be put in NiteOwl OvO's and Jerry dycus' water.  Small amounts, of course...

Charles Murray
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Re: small and underpowered
Charles Murray   11/5/2012 7:31:11 PM
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 Your point is well taken, ChriSharek. Power is not the issue. Right now the issue is cost.

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