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Twitchy
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Re: Government Motors
Twitchy   10/23/2012 8:50:09 PM
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Awards are given for many reasons, not necessarily because they're earned.

The Prius plug-in hybrid has a range of over 500 miles.

And Volt sales are outpacing the Prius because they're practically giving the car away.

Charles Murray
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Re: Partnership is key
Charles Murray   10/23/2012 7:31:13 PM
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Here's a good illustration of your point, Scott: The young Gadget Freak who built the Super LED flashlight shown on our site mentions in the comments that he built the device while working on his homework. Yes, it starts at home.

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1362&doc_id=251425&itc=dn_analysis_element&

Charles Murray
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Re: Partnership is key
Charles Murray   10/23/2012 7:19:32 PM
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I agree, Scott. It starts at home. Almost all of the engineers I've known have come from homes where education is emphasized. The role of the school is simply to provide a place where those students can develop their potential.

Architect
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Re: Government Motors
Architect   10/23/2012 8:26:29 AM
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Just for starters Twitchy,

And I mean just for starters...

The Volt is:

The most awarded vehicle ever. (By Engineering and Automitive Engineering Societies, Testers, Writers and Publications.)

It is the only American Designed vehicle to be awarded Car of the Year in both North America and in Europe.

The NHTSA 5 start Top Safety Pick.

The only electirc vehicle with an extended range of 380 Miles.

It has a Daily electric range of 38 miles. Average cost of $1.10/40miles

Owners drive an average of 900 miles between fill ups.

Owners go to the gas station on average every 7 weeks.

Sales are now outpacing the Prius.

Not to mention aesthetics. It does not speak cheap.

It speaks bespoke.

Let's see if we can gather a full blown comparison...

When in reality, there is none that can compare.

bill

Rigby5
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Re: Government Meddling
Rigby5   10/22/2012 7:14:01 PM
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The normal biodiesel cost less, but I agree it may not have a good shelf life. The expensive biodiesel however does have a good shelf life, and is what the Navy is experimenting with for its jets. 

{ ... biofuel that comes from camelina, a hardy U.S.-grown plant that can thrive even in difficult soil.

The Defense Energy Support Center, which oversees procurement of biofuel for the Navy, recently awarded a $2.7 million contract to Sustainable Oils of Seattle and Bozeman, Mont., for 40,000 gallons of camelina-based fuel. The Navy's ultimate goal is to develop protocols to certify alternative fuels for use in its aircraft and ships.

"The aircraft flew exactly as we expected- no surprises," said Weaver, F/A-18 project officer for Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 23 and pilot for the Earth Day flight test. "The fuel works so well, all I needed to do was just fly the plane."

"Our mission today and for the rest of the flight tests is to confirm that the fuel makes no difference in performance across the Super Hornet's entire flight envelope, from subsonic to supersonic operations," said Mark Swierczek, Naval Air Systems Command propulsion flight test engineer. "Preliminary results show there was no difference in engine ops attributable to the biofuel. Engine performance is normal and as expected."

The Navy Fuels Lab at Patuxent River is developing certification standards for a variety of renewable, alternative fuel sources. ... }

 

You should have looked into the alternatives better.  If it takes taxes to make people be more responsible, then it is our own fault.

g-whiz
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Re: Government Meddling
g-whiz   10/22/2012 5:10:24 PM
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@Rigby5 - We are deviating from the GM EV topic quite a ways, but I don't think you understand how these 3MW Diesel generators are used in a data center. They provide standby power when there is NO utility, whether it is generated across the street or across the country. These gensets are not warranted to operate on biodiesel, biodiesel does not keep well and requires extensive polishing and it costs a lot more per gallon. We don't run data centers as a "hobby", we operate them at a profit. Your comment that we "deserve to pay more" is exactly the attitude that kills jobs and economic progress in this country. We no longer provide the hundreds of good paying construction and operational jobs that comes with building and operating a modern data center. A "reasonable alternative" for us was to get out of California. Many other companies are following.

Rigby5
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Re: Government Motors
Rigby5   10/22/2012 3:42:20 PM
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I agree.  The Volt is not impressive.  It should be all aluminum, light alloys, plastics, fiberglass, carbon fiber, etc., and should not need any transmission, differential, drive shafts, etc.

Rigby5
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Re: Government Motors
Rigby5   10/22/2012 3:37:55 PM
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G-whiz,  that is wrong.  If you run the diesel generator on biodiesel instead of fossil fuel, then you pay no CARB tax.  Nor does it make any sense to rule your own generators when all you have to do is rent power from Utah.  If you refuse reasonable alternatives, then you deserve to pay more.

g-whiz
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Re: Government Motors
g-whiz   10/22/2012 10:28:34 AM
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@Rigby5 - "No one is getting any money off global warming."

Just try to install and commission a large Diesel generator for a data center in Kaleefornya. One has to now pay what amounts to a large fine to CARB (California Air Resources Board cap-and-trade program) to be awarded the "privilege" of allowing it to run a few hours a year. Because of this huge up front cost, we cannot afford to build data centers in CA anymore. It just does not make business sense. That's what your wacko global warming propaganda gets you. Thanks governor Moonbeam.

Twitchy
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Re: Government Motors
Twitchy   10/22/2012 12:33:10 AM
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How is the Volt "inventive"? It doesn't seem to be any different, really, than a Prius, or any other plug-in hybrid. Once you get past the engine, it has a totally conventional power train.

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