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g-whiz
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Re: Government Meddling
g-whiz   10/22/2012 5:10:24 PM
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@Rigby5 - We are deviating from the GM EV topic quite a ways, but I don't think you understand how these 3MW Diesel generators are used in a data center. They provide standby power when there is NO utility, whether it is generated across the street or across the country. These gensets are not warranted to operate on biodiesel, biodiesel does not keep well and requires extensive polishing and it costs a lot more per gallon. We don't run data centers as a "hobby", we operate them at a profit. Your comment that we "deserve to pay more" is exactly the attitude that kills jobs and economic progress in this country. We no longer provide the hundreds of good paying construction and operational jobs that comes with building and operating a modern data center. A "reasonable alternative" for us was to get out of California. Many other companies are following.

Rigby5
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Re: Government Motors
Rigby5   10/22/2012 3:42:20 PM
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I agree.  The Volt is not impressive.  It should be all aluminum, light alloys, plastics, fiberglass, carbon fiber, etc., and should not need any transmission, differential, drive shafts, etc.

Rigby5
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Re: Government Motors
Rigby5   10/22/2012 3:37:55 PM
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G-whiz,  that is wrong.  If you run the diesel generator on biodiesel instead of fossil fuel, then you pay no CARB tax.  Nor does it make any sense to rule your own generators when all you have to do is rent power from Utah.  If you refuse reasonable alternatives, then you deserve to pay more.

g-whiz
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Re: Government Motors
g-whiz   10/22/2012 10:28:34 AM
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@Rigby5 - "No one is getting any money off global warming."

Just try to install and commission a large Diesel generator for a data center in Kaleefornya. One has to now pay what amounts to a large fine to CARB (California Air Resources Board cap-and-trade program) to be awarded the "privilege" of allowing it to run a few hours a year. Because of this huge up front cost, we cannot afford to build data centers in CA anymore. It just does not make business sense. That's what your wacko global warming propaganda gets you. Thanks governor Moonbeam.

Twitchy
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Re: Government Motors
Twitchy   10/22/2012 12:33:10 AM
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How is the Volt "inventive"? It doesn't seem to be any different, really, than a Prius, or any other plug-in hybrid. Once you get past the engine, it has a totally conventional power train.

Twitchy
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Re: Government Motors
Twitchy   10/21/2012 12:29:26 AM
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I worked at GM 25 years ago, and upper management couldn't make good business decisions then. Why should now be any different.

And, really, the only thing wrong with electric vehicles is that they still can't think outside the same box they've been stuck in for the last 50 years. That's not just GM, that's the entire auto industry.

The way they should be building electric cars is to put an electric motor in each wheel. That gets rid of most of the drive train: transmission, clutch, driveshaft, differential, u-joints, all of the stuff they're used to, plus gives you AWD and regenerative braking. Put in enough batteries to handle acceleration and hills, with maybe a 40 mile range on battery power. Then put a small engine under the hood, using gas or CNG or alcohol or whatever, matched to a generator large enough to keep that vehicle moving at a constant 70 mph, + maybe 10%. That engine would be optimized to run at constant speed, constant load. That would make it a lot easier to get good fuel economy.

But they're stuck with the idea that all the motive force comes from under the hood, and has to be distributed through the same mechanical interface we've been using for decades.

Scott Orlosky
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Re: Partnership is key
Scott Orlosky   10/20/2012 6:18:19 PM
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Naperlou.  Thanks for a voice of sanity on the education issue.  Most parents don't really have a clue how the public education system operates.  Having spent four years on the local school board in a high-performing public school district I can safely say that just about everybody has an opinion on how to fix the school system. The fact of the matter is that schools have about 35 hours per week with our children over nine months each year.  Parental involvement in the education process has a bigger effect, by far, than individual teachers in promoting educational engagement.  We need to educate parents as well as kids that reading, discussing social issues, demonstrating critical thinking and showing an interest in learning are all good things.  Communities, more than big industrial companies probably have a bigger role to play in making this happen.

Rigby5
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Re: Government Motors
Rigby5   10/20/2012 3:57:33 PM
Craig, you are totally wrong.

Antarctica is also having massive melt off and calving of huge sections of what used to be the stable ice shelves.  It is true that the total amount of ice in Antarctica is increasing instead of decreasing, but that is only because there is so much more snow fall on the insulated land mass.  Which also is proof of global warming.

There is no warming cycle.  We are supposed to be entering another cooling cycle according to the historical records, hundreds of years ago.

Yes there was concern over global cooling at one time, but that was because of particulates and aerosols that were blocking sunlight.  We used catalytic converters to reduce the dimming problems, and thus accelerated the warming problems.  There can be no doubt it is a fact. No one is getting any money off global warming.

The Northwest Passage has not been open for thousands of years until now.  Take your head out of the sand.

craig.kline@parttec.com
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Re: Government Motors
craig.kline@parttec.com   10/20/2012 2:59:57 PM
That's correct, I don't believe it. I have not drank the cool aid. Antarctica has record amounts of ice build and several sources have sited that the warming cycle ended 10 years ago and are driven predominately by the sun, you know that hot ball in the sky that provides all our heat. When I was in the government public indoctrination center 40 years ago they were preaching a new ice age coming or global cooling. We are being conned to separate us tax payers from more of our money. Be a fool if you like.

Rigby5
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Re: Government Motors
Rigby5   10/19/2012 9:21:36 PM
Craig, so you don't believe the Arctic ice cap is melting?  Maybe our educational system failed you?

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