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3drob
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Re: science fiction or over-reach
3drob   10/15/2012 11:31:24 AM
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GlennA, I agree completely.  Even the name "Golem" is a word that has negative connotations (e.g. dumb or helpless). 

It's a nice idea, but I really would NOT like to see an autonomous robot until their cognitive ability is a LOT further along.  And then I wouldn't like to see an autonomous robot because I don't know that I would trust it's motiviation (think Stuxnet).

btwolfe
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Re: science fiction or over-reach
btwolfe   10/15/2012 11:42:12 AM
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GlennA, I have to agree. I didn't believe half of what McGyver did, so I find it even harder to believe a robot can do it. I'm also confused by the specs. The statement "ability to lift 100kg -- the combined weight of its two arms" is confusing. Does this mean the two arms together can lift 100kg and that they also happen to weigh 100kg? I'm familiar with the Schunk LWA 3 (the arms being used on this robot) and I know it can't lift that much (it's more like 6kg).

I think there's a lot of hand waving with the technical capabilites. It'll be interesting to see if they even come close to what's being touted. I suspect most of the work will be in software modelling of the environment and deducing what's relevant to accomplishing a certain task. That alone will consume all $900K. Hope to see great things come from this.

Carmine
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Intelligent Headlights?
Carmine   10/15/2012 11:48:29 AM
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I sure hope its equipped with Intelligent Headlights.  I wouldn't want it blinded by rain or snow as it searches for a "pipe" to lever a smoking HVAC unit off some poor soul.  http://www.designnews.com/document.asp?doc_id=247143  All kidding aside, this sounds way, way out these.  How is this thing supposed to know just how truly fragile humans are to avoid inadvertanyly killing the trapped guy with that "oh-so-handy-and available" pipe?

SparkyWatt
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Re: Robot rescue hero
SparkyWatt   10/15/2012 1:26:29 PM
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It strikes me that this is more a database application than an algorithm.  Humans, after all, sort through millions of pieces of data to do the MacGyver thing.  From our point of view the concepts:

- A window may be an exit.

- Glass is breakable

- You have to throw a weight to break a window.

- You can't lift more than 45 pounds.

- A chair weighs about 10 pounds.

Are distinct ideas from thousands that we piece together to figure out that we can throw a chair through a window to escape through it.  The big problem here isn't going to be coming up with a clever process for figuring this stuff out.  It is going to be putting together a massive database of simple common facts that can be quickly integrated into plans.

Beth Stackpole
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Re: Robot rescue hero
Beth Stackpole   10/15/2012 1:34:37 PM
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@SparkyWatt: I agree that this robot is going to have one big data problem on its hands to both amass and process all of the possible scenarios and data points in order to make any kind of informed decision about what solution to try or how exactly to go about fixing a problem. While I hate being negative about any kind of technology exploration, I'd say this is definitely a "work-in-progress."

William K.
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Macgyver robot???
William K.   10/15/2012 3:20:36 PM
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The difference will be that the robot won't be able to violate all kinds of physical laws and limitations. It will never connect a scuba tank to a garden hose to inflate an air matteres to bust open a hatchway. But a robot that was aware enough of it's surroundings to use a pipe as a lever to pry an object off of somebody would be quite an accomplishment. Of course, that would also be a big accomplishment for a whole lot of our population today. The advantages are clear but the level of creative thinking required is beyond most of our population, and probably beyond all programmers, so it will be amazing to see what gets developed.

The downside is that a robot that smart may want to replace us humans. That could be a problem.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Please, not MacGyver
Rob Spiegel   10/15/2012 3:41:29 PM
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Nadine, actually I mixed up MacGyver -- a clever secret agent who worked with gadgets to solve probloems -- with MacGruber, a Saturday Night Live takeoff 

NadineJ
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Re: Please, not MacGyver
NadineJ   10/15/2012 4:21:07 PM
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Rob, that's an interesting mix up.  But, my comment still stands, even if alone.

Good work doesn't need to be tied to cultural kitsch.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Please, not MacGyver
Rob Spiegel   10/15/2012 4:28:31 PM
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You're right about that, Nadine. The robot is a fascinating step forward, even if it requires mammoth tweaking. The ability of the robot to manipulate tools and the ability of the robot to "think" is quite something. 

Watashi
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Re: Macgyver robot???
Watashi   10/15/2012 6:13:12 PM
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Have we not learned anything from the "Terminator" and "Matrix" franchises? 

Machines turn on humans when they have the cognitive ability to realize that humans actually believed the storylines from MacGyver.

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