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Rob Spiegel
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Wealthy states seem to do better
Rob Spiegel   10/5/2012 1:45:22 PM
Given the results of states on energy efficiency, the pattern seems to be that wealthy states do better than poor states. That fact that Massachusetts is at the top and Mississippi is at the bottom says a lot.

Charles Murray
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Re: Wealthy states seem to do better
Charles Murray   10/5/2012 5:50:59 PM
Rob, any idea how a state's energy mix plays into the scoring? If a state has a high percentage of coal, nuclear, natural gas, wind, solar, etc, does it score any more or less?

Jon Titus
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Requires registration... argh!
Jon Titus   10/5/2012 6:14:20 PM
People must provide personal information and register on the ACEEE site before they can download the report.  I don't know whay sites do this sort of thing, but it presents a barrier that keeps me from going any farther.

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Not "Efficiency" but "Spending"
dox   10/8/2012 11:22:18 AM
I find it interesting that (based on this article) the ranking seems to have nothing to do with energy efficiency, just spending and planning.

If my state spends big $$$ to save "x" energy, but the effort required to build and implement these changes uses "2x" energy, I come out on top.  Why would anyone do this?  We do it now, with products that use more energy to manufacture and distribute than they will save in their lifetime.  We do it with ethanol, which also generates more pollution than it saves.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Requires registration... argh!
Rob Spiegel   10/8/2012 12:39:57 PM
I feel the same way, Jon. It stops me as well.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Not "Efficiency" but "Spending"
Rob Spiegel   10/8/2012 12:55:39 PM
Very good points, Dox. A good example -- outside the scope of this survery -- is electric vehicles. The additional cost of these vehicles will never be recovered by the energy savings.

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Re: Not "Efficiency" but "Spending"
LED MAC   10/8/2012 4:00:20 PM
I wonder how this list of most "Efficient" states correlates to fiscal health ?   I notice that California is ranked towards the top in energy efficiency (legislation X spending), but is also effectively in a state of bankruptcy.

My friends who live in California like to hold up their state as a shining example of progressive policy, and I tend to agree with them!  This point will finally be driven home, unfortunately, only when it is too late; when the multitude of public sector workers (as well as nanny-state entitlement junkies)  notice their pay (and pension) checks are absent from their mailboxes.  Enter bedlam.    Energy effeciency spending will count for naught then....

I agree that improvement to energy efficiency is a desireable goal, but this is only rational if the underlying society/economy is viable/sustainable to begin with.

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Re: Not "Efficiency" but "Spending"
Absalom   10/8/2012 4:20:07 PM
I agree. Fiscal responsibility should be far more important than political energy points. But the country has far too few engineers in positions of authority.

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"There you go again ...."
Island_Al   10/8/2012 4:34:23 PM
Twas a Reagan quote during debates many years ago.  At any rate Rob, DN has the knack at times to make me see RED (excuse the pun). Who are these guys, how are they funded, and what is their criteria?

I googled ["american council for an energy-efficient economy" board of directors "council of foreign relations" members].  Seems like everyone on the ACEEE board is a CFR member, yet it is a non-profit.  The CFR, by the way is a rather clandestine group of world shapers.  I googled this not because I'm a conspiracy theorist, but because I could find few details on the ACEEE.

How are they funded?  Foundations, power companies, and you and I as "contributions" are added to our power bill, seemingly without choice.

Their criteria is each states spending on green tech. Maine dropped significantly (see:http://www.nrcm.org/news_detail.asp?news=5001).  Its all about speding tax money.

I bring all this up as my air conditioning guy was telling me quite an interesting story. In the big markets, big AC guys are spending to the tune of $100k to buy "testing equipment". It hooks to a house and does both positive and negative pressurization.  To "pass" requires an average of $40k of improvements per existing home. In the future, he claims zoning laws will be changed to make this a requirement, thus if you need a new roof, etc, you will need to bring your home "up to code".  True we will save energy - but at what cost?

Seems to me the Watermelons are at large again. Green on the outside, Red on the inside. I really fear for my nation.  When government is watching out for me I keep one hand on my wallet.


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Number 2!!
NadineJ   10/8/2012 5:28:58 PM
It's hard to trust this when I'm paying almost $5/gallon for gas because of higher environmental standards leading to a California specific gas shortage.

The pattern I see is the coastal states (with the exception on MN) do better.  The bottom tier (with the exception of WV) is in the center of the country.  That's an unfortunately common pattern when it comes to innovation.

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