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Charles Murray
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Re: Steel vs. aluminum
Charles Murray   10/5/2012 5:46:10 PM
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Dave, what are the differences between forged aluminum and steel, in terms of modulus of elasticity, compressive strength and whatever else might be relevant here?

Dave Palmer
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Steel vs. aluminum
Dave Palmer   10/5/2012 2:52:32 PM
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@Ann: Although steel is stronger than aluminum, it's not really too surprising that forged aluminum wheels are stronger than steel wheels made from sheet metal -- the designs and manufacturing processes are completely different.  A forged steel wheel would be much stronger than a forged aluminum wheel, but would also weigh a lot more. (Forged steel wheels make sense for railroad cars, but definitely not for on-road applications).

The lifecycle analysis is very interesting.  It is very comprehensive, and all of the assumptions seem to be reasonable.  It makes a convincing case.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Lifecycle
Ann R. Thryft   10/5/2012 12:04:31 PM
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Lou, you're certainly right about the recyclability of aluminum, and steel too to a somewhat lesser extent. But it's also true that LCA has to look at everything. In fact, the latest concept of the life cycle is "cradle-to-cradle", not "cradle-to-grave." CtoC includes that last link in the chain that closes the loop (to mix metaphors) of recycled material going back into the product.

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Lifecycle
naperlou   10/5/2012 11:44:20 AM
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Ann, you mention end of life phases when talking about the life cycle cost analysis.  You mention recycling and disposal.  Steel and aluminum of this type will certainly be recycled.  It has been known for some time that aluminum recycling is extremely effecient.  I think it uses about 5% of the energy to recycle aluminum as it does to refine it from bauxite.  Steel is also effecient, although I am not sure of the ratio.  Steel mini-mills are the most effecient steel mills becuase they use scrap.  So, I assume in this case the wheels of both types will be recycled.

It is good, though to see such comprehensive analysis.  If you are looking at full lifecycle costs, then you really have to look at everything.

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