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Nancy Golden
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Re: Handy project!
Nancy Golden   9/21/2012 11:26:24 AM
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What a cool looking kit, mrdon - that looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for the link, it makes me want to start playing with my PIC stuff again. Another thing I love about using Microchip products is the technical support that is available, their extensive documentation of their PICs, and their forum community. I have gotten some excellent help when I was stumped on a project that I was contracted to do and wound up making a great friend and partnering on the project with him that (speaking of patents) was eventually patented by the company we wrote the code for.

mrdon
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Re: Handy project!
mrdon   9/21/2012 11:15:33 AM
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Nancy, I agree PIC projects are really cool and fun to build. In reading Andrew's Build document, the assembly language code used to monitor and control the motor is quite typical of Microchip. All of their microcontroller software reference design documents illustrates the target application with assembly code. Here's a link for a cool PIC Lab Development kit including the PIC10F microcontroller.

http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en539716&redirects=picdemlab

DanSchwartz
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Monitoring back EMF?
DanSchwartz   9/21/2012 10:54:46 AM
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Looking at the patent application but not yet seeing the schematic, are you monitoring the back EMF after shutting off the voltage?

Also, will this only work with universal motors because you're feeding it PWM'd DC?

I use a 500 VA variac for my Dremel grinder speed control, as there are times when I want to boost the voltage to 140VAC for extra speed while performing some delicate grinding on hearing aids.


Dan Schwartz,

Editor, The Hearing Blog

http://www.TheHearingBlog.com

rScotty
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Re: Patent issues
rScotty   9/21/2012 10:45:53 AM
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What a clever controller, Morris!

This discussion of the patent process is remarkably similar to what I experienced while doing engineering technical consulting for large corporations.....right down to the description of the witnesses and the many co-inventors. 

I was routinely asked to evaluate patents for useful information. Often this evolved into equally simple ways in which the whole patent could be subverted.

Without offering any moral judgment, I'll simply note that my engineering career spanned enough years to see what was once ethically questionable becoming a common and valued engineering practice. 

It may be at a patent was never as much of a strong protection in reality as it was in folklore. How could it be wit such a low level of international support?

My advice to startups is not to assign too much importance to patents. Lack of a patent should not be the deciding factor. It may be that more businesses failed to get started from fear of not having a patent than ever failed from patent challenges.
In my opinion, the real value of the patent process is in the way that it promotes education and advances knowledge.

I would like to see the patent process continue evolving away from it's legal and protective roll and more towards becoming a vehicle for recognizing unique achievement and distributing new ideas.

  Roger L.   (rScotty)


Noswad
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Re: Handy project!
Noswad   9/21/2012 10:40:07 AM
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Wow! That's a pretty expensive add on to a $10 piece of junk china tool.

Sorry, but I just don't see it being worth it for this tool.

armorris
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Re: Handy project!
armorris   9/20/2012 4:20:07 PM
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One of the things we did at the R&D center was break other people's patents. We worked with the lawyers to find loopholes to use ideas that we wanted. This was not the fault of my former employer, but is common practice in big business.

So, yes Nancy, we did exactly what you're talking about. We would make some small change to get around the patent.

Nancy Golden
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Re: Handy project!
Nancy Golden   9/20/2012 4:03:15 PM
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I looked into it with my portable trail obstacle small business (no one makes portable trail obstacles and hubby and I do all of the design work). We ended up just using a trade mark symbol for the phrase "portable trail obstacles" which would give us some ownership rights depending on what state you are in...and we could have done a patent pending for a small fee without actually going through the trouble of getting a patent - but as you said, it would be whoever had the deepest pockets would have control. Just not worth pursuing for a business run out of a tiny home office. Also, people can tweak their design enough for a patent to be issued to their design even if it was originally copied from yours...

armorris
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Re: Handy project!
armorris   9/20/2012 3:31:33 PM
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It's a shame to have to say it, but IMO, patents are no longer a viable option for the individual, except in rare cases. I just wanted to stir up some conversation on the subject and see what came out of it. I also wanted to tell my story about what happened to the patent on my invention, which is being used in this gadget. 

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Handy project!
Rob Spiegel   9/20/2012 3:13:54 PM
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I agree about patent suits, Nancy. Usually those with the deepest pockets maintain control. 

Nancy Golden
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Handy project!
Nancy Golden   9/20/2012 12:05:33 PM
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Gotta love those PIC projects that you can not only build at home - but are extremely useful in day to day applications. I really like your project - the improved torque with lower speed capability makes it very versatile. Cool gadget!

Regarding your patent discussion- I have found that every time I thought about patenting something (personally, not as part of a corporate patent) it simply wasn't worth it. The burden of prosecution if someone infringes on your patent falls on the patent holder and there is no way I could go against a team of corporate lawyers if someone stole my design.

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