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Rob Spiegel
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How long it is really?
Rob Spiegel   7/26/2012 11:53:04 AM
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This Sherlock Ohms posting is a great example of the danger of assuming. He asked for 10 feet of cable, he was given a length of cable. But he didn't check to make sure he actually received 10 feet of cable.

Tim
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Re: How long it is really?
Tim   7/26/2012 12:17:02 PM
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This is good evaluation of the method and the actual test. As a manufacturer, there are times that I have doubted the test when the result is not what you expect.

tekochip
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Re: How long it is really?
tekochip   7/26/2012 2:09:10 PM
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The real problem is that we rarely double check when we get the data we expect.

williamlweaver
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Re: How long it is really?
williamlweaver   7/26/2012 9:06:53 PM
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Trust, but Verify. This example belongs in a collection of wise tales and parables handed to each new measurement apprentice. When it comes to measurements, folks should not be offended when their data is double-checked but instead remind the receiver to re-check their measurements and calculations. Imagine how much unnecessary effort and research was avoided by checking the initial value...

Rob Spiegel
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Re: How long it is really?
Rob Spiegel   7/27/2012 12:24:00 AM
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I couldn't agree more, William. Yet I can certainly see how this happens. It takes conscious vigilance to avoid this kind of problem.

bobjengr
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HOW LONG IS IT
bobjengr   7/27/2012 5:31:54 PM
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  I'm not too sure how you get around this one.  One company I consult for has work instructions AND a check list AND employee training AND there are still errors made relative to measurements.  I will say this, we use a software package called MiniTab to perform Six Sigma calculations.  With this software package, it is fairly easy to discover measurement errors.  We always try to run a sample size of at least 30 pieces PER shift.  Sometimes when we are checking against critical-to-quality specifications, we collect samples every hour for analysis. Another important factor, we always measure and calculate for gage R&R and factor that into analyzing the final data. 

Ann R. Thryft
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Measure twice, cut once
Ann R. Thryft   7/30/2012 12:53:30 PM
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Many years ago a VP of engineering I knew had a sign on his office wall: "Measure twice, cut once." I memorized that one, and it's been helpful for avoiding mistakes like this one. Of course, it's easier to observe this rule when it's just you doing the measuring both times. I like the "Trust, but verify" maxim. That maxim completes the first one.

Tim
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Re: How long it is really?
Tim   7/30/2012 10:25:28 PM
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Some manufacturers do not always see that it is better to reject a good part than pass a bad one.

William K.
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inaccurate measurements and screwed-up data
William K.   8/2/2012 9:52:53 PM
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The problem came from assuming that the directions had been accurately followed. I had a similar problem when a new tech grabbed a stack of incomplete circuit boards from a stack and then was challenging me that my design was no good because the boards didn't work. I wound up posting a general memo that "designs will not perform as required unless they are built as designed." The lab manager challenged me as to what it was about, and I explained to him that it meant that the circuit boards would not work correctly unless all of the parts were installed. He agreed that was a correct assertion, and cautioned that tech to only use circuit boards that had passed the final inspection. The non-calibrated boards seldom met the requirements, and the incomplete boards never met them.

Tool_maker
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Re: inaccurate measurements and screwed-up data
Tool_maker   8/9/2012 4:56:04 PM
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William: Your story really touches a raw nerve with me. I have lost count of how many times the "New Guy" finds errors where none exist merely because he wanted to impress somebody higher up with just how much he knows. Not all new guys, but a significant number.

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