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kits are very useful   quick start up or spike out an idea

Iron

Very good presentation!

 

Iron

I wish to some companies to provide an extended support for their SW all the time instead of 30 or 60 evaluation days

In my experience, dev kits are great to explore and exercise abilities of certain devices and the technical support is usually good.

I had worked with development kits from Microchip, SilLabs, Xilinx

Hello from Oregon to archive studying

Thank you for this info.  I'm just starting out down the embedded path and have lots of great practical use ideas, but I'm having trouble finding the best path for my investment in debugging and test hardware.

Platinum

Very Interesting Thanks

Looking forward to today

Ready to go 

A bit late 

Trying to catchup - yes I have used development kits in the past.

Thanks Jon. Session was very Informative

Iron

Thanks, Jon, for today's informative lecture.  I look forward to tomorrow.

Gold

I can usually work independently with dev kits.

Iron

Then, classes starting July 23 are on the fuindamentals of electronics. That's a series that's a "must attend" even if you consider yourself somewhat of an expert.

Blogger

The first classes of the new semester, on July 9, are on wireless testing.

Blogger

Semester 1 ends this week. Semester 2 starts in July.

Blogger

yes I have used them

Semester 2 closes at the end of this week. A new semester begins in July.

Blogger

Sorry, I missed today...dentist appointment

Hi Rob, I am just checking on the Semester 2 info. How long will this be. thanks.

Iron

Thanks Rob and Jon. See you all tomorrow.

Iron

Thanks everyone for your comments, questions, and answers to our queries. See you all tomorrow.

Blogger

Yep, I'm still here. Though we're winding up now.

Blogger

Hi Rob..are you still there?

 

Iron

I'll take a short lunch break and come back to answer more questions. --Jon

Blogger

Thank you Rob and everyone else. I will e-see you tomorrow!

Iron

Thank you Jon thank you for one more week of wisdom.

Iron

yes very helpful

 

Iron

Yes, the kids have been very useful for getting work done.

I agree.  When they turn 10 or 11, they can start to mow the lawn and do more chores around the house. ;-)

Blogger

Luizcosta asked: is there anyone who used this board to boot Linux, XINU or other OSs?

Blogger

Aykc88 asked: How can this dev kit evolve into any practical applicaitons?

Blogger

Does Appbuilder come with the kit or is it Xtra?

As best I can recall, you can download the AppBuilder directly from SiLabs.  No software comes "with the kit" in the sense that it does not include a CD-ROM.  You download everything for FREE.

Blogger

SumedhaHewa asked: What is the avg pricing for this micro?

Blogger

I don't know of anyone who has used this board or a Precision32 MCU to boot Linux or another OS.  Perhaps a Google search would turn up some helpful info.

Blogger

As to low-power operating modes...  Check out information on the Silicon Labs web site.  There you can find the details about low-power modes and power use.

Blogger

Am I a fan of Eclipse?  It doesn't rteally matter to me.  Some IDEs use Eclipse, some use NetBeans, and others use their own framework.  As long as the tools work the underlying foundation doesn't matter much--at least to me.  Perhaps Eclipse offers some benefits because people can drop in add-on programs.  I have also heard Eclipse can be a pain to configure properly.

Blogger

Thanks for a great intro, Jon.  In answer to the moderator's question, I have used some kits from Freescale (Tower, quickstick and others and a TI MSP430 kit.  Am currently experimenting with a Parallax Prepeller BOE.  These are good paths for learning about the capabilities of ucontorllers, I have not done any product development yet.

Iron

Back Wednesday. Looking forward to it.

Platinum

RMRSS asked: What do they offer for Low power including sleep mode as well as operating?

Blogger

Does the IDE generates makefile to run using command line

 

 

Thanks for the lecture

Iron

The other Silicon Labs Precision32 MCUs have the same ARM Cortex-M3 processor.  They vary by memory sizes and USB capabilities.

Blogger

Luizcosta asked: Can you describe the on board monitor system used to boot the board and load the application?

Blogger

Xilinx Dev kit was DARNED useful in about eight different ways -- hands on with VHDL, major multi-purpose on-the-fly-reconfigurable devices, etc.

Best thing about a development board, IMHO, has been example code for all the varieties of I/O on the board. Emulation is MUCH easier than developing from scratch.

Platinum

What is the avg pricing for this micro?

thanks Rob...off to a great start

Iron

Sorry about not mentioning the ARM Cortex-M3.  It's noted on slide 4, but I'll keep in mind your comment for the other seminars this week.

Blogger

thank Jon...great presentation. look forward to tomorrow

Iron

Most dev kits aren't meant to convert into an application board, although you could use it that way by making I/O connections to the five sets of male pins.  Most of the engineers I know would lay out their own board and go from there with a prototype more suited to their final design.  Some boards are better than others for use in prototypes, and I'll cover some over the next sessions.

Blogger

One attendee asked: Do the other chips for SI have the same core and IS?

Blogger

Jon,Thanks for a good talk, though I didn't know you were talking about an ARM processor til the last sentence.  (Pardon my ignorance, but a little more context up front might help)  -Grant Schmick

Iron

Debugging capabilities are good and complete.  You can monitor variables, trace code, and so on.  Pretty much the typical debug tools available.  The current-measurement pi9ns let you measure current during code execution, but I don't know a way to correlate it with code unless you include an I/O "trigger" command in your code to trigger a scope and measure the current across a small resistor.

Blogger

Looking forward to hear AVR XMEGA

@rob: Great MC'ing, thanks for your participation. Good questions, thoughtful comments, pleasant "radio" voice, smooth timing -- you did a great job.

@jon: Good information and clear, detailed slides. You set high expectations with your earlier Digi-Key CEC session and certainly did not disappoint today.

Look forward to "seeing" everybody tomorrow.

Iron

And I had Good Questions lined up!! 

You'll be back tomorrow, I'm assuming...

Platinum

jl asks: how did you find the debugging capabilities in the kit to be

Blogger

Thanks for the presentaion

Iron

I would like to know how can this dev kit evolve into any practical applicaitons. Thanks!

Iron

Darn -- missed it... Time to scroll down, recap, etc... I'll bet this doesn't qualify as having "attended"...

Platinum

Thanks for the info

Dennis

Iron

Thanks Jon, enjoyed the discussion today.  Looking forward to the rest of the week.

Iron

One attendde asked whether you are a fan of Eclipse -- why or why not?

Blogger

good presentation, thanks Jon

Iron

@jon - how did you find the debuggging capabilities to be in this kit

Iron

GREAT PRESENTATION.  THANKS...

thanks Jon and Digi-Key!

Iron

Thanks for the presentation, Jon.

Thanks Jon and Rob, good session. See all tomorrow.

Iron

What do they offer for Low power including sleep mode as well as operating?

Thanks Jon and Digikey

Iron

Thanks Jon, Very Good Lecture.

Iron

Nice job.  Thanks.

Iron

Thanks a lot Lohn!

Iron

Jon, Thank you for today's presentation

Iron

Thank you Jon, great presentation.

Iron

@JON is there anyone who used this board to boot Linux, XINU or other OSs?

Iron

Thanks for a great lecture today, Jon.

Iron

dev kits are good because you can learn fast a new MCU, but do not have enough h/w configurable resources.

Iron

how did you find the debugging capabilities in the kit to be

Iron

Slide 30 is labeled documentation 'dislikes'.  What did you find lacking in the documentation?

 

Iron

@JON: Can you describe the on board monitor system used to boot the board and load the application?

Iron

All,

  The HAL provides a function to directly write values to the GPIO registers. I beleive that the function name is SI32_PBSTD_A_write_pb. 

  In the case of blinky we use the toggle_pins, set_pins, and clear_pins functions as they are more efficent. 

Iron

Dev Kits provide a good headstart not just for the s/w guys, but also the h/w designers who need to test the capapbilities of a device before committing to an expensive prototype. They are also a good way to keep skills up between design projects, and to explore new technologies with low cost.

Iron

AppBuilder looks like a "one" up on the other kits

Iron

Do the other chips for Si have the same core and IS?

Iron

Expect to use more kits in future as chips & SW get more complex especially since some kits are so inexpensive.  Fine pitch on some parts make it difficult and expensive to roll first prototype for development from scratch.

Iron

Easier than starting from scratch

Iron

Keil (and uVision) is currently fully supported. It will run independantly of P32. If desired AppBuilder can output a uVision Project for consumption by uVision. IAR will be supported in the near future.

 

Iron

yes.  Using a kit allows for faster start up.

 

Iron

AppBuilder can also generate code for the Keil uVision IDE. IAR export is in the works (coming in the future).

Iron

I use a kit when it is available.  I am more likely to use a MCU that has a good development kit.

Iron

Yes, We use Kits and Plan on using them in the future.

Iron

Will continue to use kits.

Iron

Kits are helpful when evaluating a potential supplier.  So it depends on whether a micro supplier comes in with competitive products to get my attention.

Iron

Jon, are you a fan of Eclipse? Why or why not?

Blogger

I expect to use kits much more often due to reduced cost and better availability.

Iron

Yes, already use dev kits

 

Iron

@MazianLab: The code generated by AppBuilder is C.

@jl: the compiler included with the free Precision32 IDE is the open-source gcc compiler.

Iron

Does Keil and IAR can support completly without AppBuilder?

Iron

Yes, will use more kits.

Iron

@rob: Future kit use will likely be about the same as in the past.

Iron

I use them a lot and will do so in the future

Iron

@rob - yes will continue to use kits

Iron
I have and used a lot of boards (30+) but most dev boards do not have enough possibilities to evaluate all you need or want.
most of the time you want something what that board do not cover.
you are limited at what the designer implemented and do not have even the option to switch to something else using let say, changing some configuration resistors (what is the easiest way to do it – jumpers are not always the best solution).
Iron

The P32 tool chain uses GCC (GNU) for the compiler by default

Iron

does this MCU come with its own C/C+ compiler, if so, who's

Iron

Can we build these codes with C or C+ ?

Iron

Interact with user forums.

Iron

I find that a kickstart via a seminar is always beneficial.

Iron

I Rarely need to interact and usually interaction is not very usefull.

Iron

Usually independently, but find resources if needed

Iron

There's never enough information to do all on my own.

Iron

I usually have applications questions I have to get resolved with kit mfg.s tech support. 

Iron

Mostly as an indavidual, there is some help in another devision that mirrors our department

Iron

usually independent when doing simple projects.  As soon as the level of complexity rises, like incorporating a library or stack (bluetooth, TCP/IP, etc), that's when all hell usually breaks loose.  Sometimes, help from the vendor is needed to get through these times...

Iron

I have only had to get help once.  Usually FAQ covers most problems.  This is the best learning experience.

Iron

This AppBuilder seems really slick.

Usually "extra" help is needed when starting out but the need decreases rapidly as you get used to things.

Iron

I seldom need to contact the manufacturer.  I get support from FAE's, but most of them just are parroting back the manual.

Generally, this is run at night or on a weekend when I am not buried with the day to day stuff.

Iron

Interaction with Forums and Manfacturers seems to be innevitable to me. No matter how good one is on something, there is so much out there and moving at the speed of light ....

Iron

If the development kit has good documentation, I can use it without help.

Iron

Web search is mostly required to answer questions that come up

Iron

@rob - can use kits independantly. mostly in evaluation and/or learning process

Iron

For me the continuous interruptions by the moderator is VERY disruptive to the flow of the presentation !!!!

Bronze

the best ones require no additional help :-)

 

Iron

MOst individually, but sometimes I'll ask a question

Iron

I usually work on my own with the dev kits. It's a small company.

Iron

@RMRSS: AppBuilder is included as part of the free Precision32 Development Suite download:

http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/32-bit-mcu-software.aspx

Iron

I believe it does, but not free.

Iron

Jon,

 

Does Appbuilder come with the kit or is it Xtra?

 

Iron

Not all intructions led to solution in my experiments. 20 to 40% required guessing "what designer / installer" meant.  Tags are many times even misleading.  THYE REALY WORLD! 

I like the idea of a demo program but that does not supply a default template for code development.

Can you supply a workable template for processor programmimg.

Iron

free or extremely low cost kits would be great...hate to spend money just to find out it is not a platform that will work for me

and i'll second the Mac OSX dev support

Iron

@rob - interactive debugging, complete examples, provide interactive visual HW implementation

Iron

Gerber files for the development board can be helpfull.

Iron

Lacking in most development kits: Being able to run on a Macintosh

dev boards that don't come with a power supply bother me.

Iron

Some dev kits could use more examples.  Some just have the standard blink the LED project.

Iron

The ones I used had all I needed.
Useful was web site info

Iron

Manuf moderated user fourms.

Iron

Easier "Ease-of-Use" would be nice...

Iron

@Rob - most often too many restrictions on the tools or lack of dev tools support

Iron

hello from sunny MIAMI...

Software and hardware are both important.  As always, the applications dictates but the hardware usually comes first then the software.

Iron

Clarification on the code limit question: There is no code limit on the free Silicon Labs Precision32 SiM31xxx tools. You can build all the way up to the full 256 kB flash memory.

Iron

Hey all, The code red licence that comes with the kit (no cost) supports development of code up to 256kB  (which is the amount of onboard flash). It does require 'activation' (registration), but the process requires only an email address.

 

Iron

I find it very important to have good software to come along with the hardware. It helps to clarify a lot of specific programming for the target CPU.

Iron

It varies. SW is often more important for a new micro family. HW is more important if it is just for a different member of the family and are already familiar with the SW.

Iron

Hardware must be a good fit for the application.  Software must have a good compiler and debugger.

Iron

I've purchased the dev kit for access to the Hardware, so I think this is most critical, but if the software is not usable, then that become a big problem.

Iron

What the code limit on the demo software

 

Iron

Both HW and SW.  Just as important is documentation and useful examples.

dev kit supported with a free compiler is most useful to me... so software is important.

Iron

Software and Hardware

Iron

Hardware first, software secondary consideration.

Iron

myquestionisifyourusbdebugadapterissamewith"old"onethatibought2yearsagofordevelopmentyour8051?

 

 

Iron

Hardeware, Software and Cost are all important.

Iron

@rob - both HW and SW as well as documentation and debug capabilites. accuracy of doc's is super important

Iron

I choose the micro first - we use about 500K per year and cost and functionality are critical.

Iron

HW - peripheral options

Iron

@Rob - combination of both... dev tools availability is important

Iron

both hardware and software - about equally.

Iron

The biggest limitation has been the software.  Especially software that has time limited functionality.

Iron

Limited usefulness

Both

Iron

both hw & sw equal

 

Iron

VinceK - refresh your browser?

 

Iron

I would say they are useful. All though it really depends on the kit and like most things you really don't know what you're getting until you have a chance to use it.

In general, I have used numerous development kits with great success.

Iron

Yes, I have used eval kits in the past, Freescale, Analog Devices, Atmel. Very useful to get started with an unfamiliar micro.

Iron

Hello from San Diego

Generally found dev kits useful. A few were so bad they were more trouble than they were worth.

Iron

Yes, kits are very useful for learning to use the different chips.

Iron

@VinceK - audio is loud and clear (try reloading)

Iron

Yes, the kids have been very useful for getting work done.

Iron

I thought development kits worked out well.  Gives you a platform to help learn capabilities and still develop an application for yourself.

Iron

always use eval hardware/software for checking hardware and software.

Yes and No but more yes.

Iron

I've found development kits great not just for learning, but for quick prototype work to test ideas.

Iron

Yes, used development kits.

Iron

Dev kits are often great baselines for custom designs

Iron

SDK's are good for prototyping before the PCB schematic and layout are done.

Iron

@rob - yes - development kits have been very successful and useful

Iron

They can be very helpful.

Iron

yes..they are useful and found success.

Iron

Varies, but generally, yes!

Iron

sometimes useful, othertimes a waste due to inflexibility

Iron

Good afternoon folks - sorry - running a little behind.

 

Iron

yes, the kits are useful for development

Blogger

@Rob - yes, very useful

Iron

Several from Zilog, Digi, Arduino and Pic

Iron

Yes, I've used several of the TI MSP430 boards.  Very good kits.

Iron

Hi All, Grant Schmick here.

Iron

Yes, I have used Microchip evaluation/development kits.

Iron

Yes, Microchip a lot.

Iron

@rob - have used a couple different dveopment kits

Iron

always use eval boards, including sim3.

Yes for Altera FPGA

Iron

Yes, Cygnal 8051 kits (Now SiLabs)

Howdy.  Have used, yes.

Yes - SI, Ti, Atmel, Microchip, ST, NXP, etc

Yes, I've used development kids in the past.

Iron

Yes I have used DK's before.

Iron

Have used microchip PIC and parallax development kits.

Iron

I used microchip evaluation kit

Yes, M16, H8, R8, RX

Iron

yes, mostly from Microchip, and also Renesas

Iron

Used a lot of different development kits in the past.

Iron

yes, i have and continue to do so.

Blogger

hello also from slc

general interest.

Hello from Georgia

 

Iron

Hello from San Diego Co, CA

Iron

hello Rob...welcome aboard. looking forward to a great week of sessions.

Iron

Hello from Austin, TX.

Iron

hi all from Vancouver, BC.

Iron

Hello from Washington

Iron

Hi from northern Minnesota

 

Iron

Hello  from Minneapolis MN

 

Hello from Irvine, CA

Iron

Hello everyone!

 

Iron

hello Jon and everyone out there in DigiKey land

Iron

hello all from Edmonton, AB

Iron

Hello from Orange Co, CA

Iron

Hello from Montreal

 

good afternoon everyone

Iron

On this particular program, it's every day this week. There are going to be twelve classes from July through December.

Blogger

Hello from Iowa :)

 

Iron

Hi Rob, How many semester are there for this couse? Just notice that there are 2 semester.

Iron

Hello from Germany.

 

 

Iron

Looks like RIch is off today and Rob is covering him?

Iron

Hello All, from South-Western Ontario

Iron

Hi Rick. Welcome back Jon!

Iron

Hi everyone... from Monterrey. Mexico... 12:44 PM!

Iron

Welcome, Chipmonger. Looks like you're coming from the earliest time zone.

Blogger

@rruther2 Good morning from Honolulu. 7:43 am.

Iron

Rruther2, you may win for the attendee who logs in from the longest distance.

Blogger

9;30 A.M. Morning!

North Pole, AK,

Near Fairbanks

Iron

Hi everyone. We'll begin Jon's program at 2:00 pm Eastern.

Blogger

Hello, Pickering.  I guess it depends on whether you might use this kit, which provides an ARM Cortex-M3 core.  If you have no interest in this type of processor or kit, it still might be worth learning about the hardware and software.  Up to you, of course. --Jon

Blogger

-Please join our Digi-Key Continuing Education Center LinkedIn Group at http://linkd.in/yoNGeY

Blogger

-The streaming audio player will appear on this web page when the show starts at 2pm eastern today. Note however that some companies block live audio streams. If when the show starts you don't hear any audio, try refreshing your browser.

Blogger

-Be sure to click 'Today's Slide Deck' under Special Educational Materials above right to download the PowerPoint for today's session.

Blogger

I don't have the SiM3U1xx Precision32 Development Kit. The slide show is designed around the hands on use of the kit. Is it worthwhile to sit in on the lab?



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