Wow, you are really having a tough time understanding this Jerry!!
I. Vastly superior to flying 3 bladed fans. 59% Efficiency, 3 bladed flying fans are lucky to hit 20% efficiency. Don't forget Beauford's conclusion.
II. He was absolutely adamant that a confined flow wind tunnel NOT be used for the very reasons that he pointed our and you have reiterated. How many times do I have to repeat that? Your statement is completely contrary to what he did and what he advocated
III. He found through meticulous and careful testing that the flat blades "pulled the most Power" and that the higher the polish, the more energy you absorbed. He advocated broken sheet metal, stainless steel. You know why don't you?
Bill was anything but a fool, and he didn't fool me either.
After all, he did identify the cause of the crash of the Challenger and flight 255 simply by watching television.
You know who caused the disposal of the teachers don't you?
Finally real info. I remember it from when he did it and yes it's an improvement on full fan turbines but still isn't as anywhere near good as a standard 3 blade unit.
2 things stand out he used a windtunnel which is known for giving false readings like this from wall interference preventing the aiir from going around the turbine with so many blades. Yes when he removed blades it went better because they let more air through.
The other is flat blades. Sorry but just not going to cut it aerodynamically.
Some people are easy to fool it seems. Like I say just put physics to work if you want to know what is fact or fiction or in many cases like this, not quite knowing how to do wind tunnel testing. This problem has come up recently in serveral cases. The windtunnel needs to be 4x's the size of the windgen and even then there are effects.
Finally real info. I remember it from when he did it and yes it's an improvement on full fan turbines but still isn't as anywhere near good as a standard 3 blade unit.
2 things stand out he used a windtunnel which is known for giving false readings like this from wall interference preventing the aiir from going around the turbine with so many blades. Yes when he removed blades it went better because they let more air through.
The other is flat blades. Sorry but just not going to cut it aerodynamically.
Some people are easy to fool it seems. Like I say just put physics to work if you want to know what is fact or fiction or in many cases like this, not quite knowing how to do wind tunnel testing. This problem has come up recently in serveral cases. The windtunnel needs to be 4x's the size of the windgen and even then there are effects.
That fact is proof of the lemming instinct and nothing else.
You apparently have no understanding of science which includes explorations and careful testing. Design without proper development testing is pie high in the sky.
You have shown no verifiable data at all yet make outrageous statements.
Are you incapable of listening? What is Boon's ROI?
You can read about Bill Allison in my article in AltEnergy.com:
Clearly you are no match to that man, either educationally, experientally, or ontologically.
An article on a friend who perfected the wind engine:
The fact almost all windgens are 3blade is my proof.
Most of your statements show a lack of understanding basic science and you put up not even pics of your supposed great windgen. Windtunnel? I never mentioned one.
I'm just starting my new design so don't have pics. But Mine doesn't matter as what you described can't complete with any decent 2-5 blade WG.
It's you making wild claims so show us the data. I've put up mine, the industry 3 blade standard because they work best for ROI. Where is your data other than spurious claims?
So no more from me on this, good luck as you'll need it.
Since you do not have the demeanor of a seasoned, methodical, reasoning engineer I no longer believe that you are one.
You persist in aspersions and threats and challenges and that causes me to become even more suspicious of your assertions. Clearly your efficiency ratings are false and you have shown no data or tests, nor the dynamometer to prove your wild assertions.
Flying 3 bladed fans are very inefficient.
I asked you to put up your proof and you never once did.
I asked you to show us your test setup and you never did.
I asked you to build a test facility since you imply that you are a high roller.
You didn't
You ignore T Boone and his very public statements that wind turbines are too inefficient and he lost $150,000,000 in creating a useless 3 bladed wind farm.
You must not have watched the last America's cup race. If you had you would have noticed the mad scramble to get the spinnakers up. Gee, I wonder why?
Speed picked up didn't it.
You completely missed what I was saying about Bill's discovery that he pulled more power when he removed two blades from a 12 blade configuration. The wind quite clearly stopped avoiding the fan disc and flew on through. That is when he hit the Betz limit which you will never do. This was completely visible to the naked eye with the "steam" from the dry ice.
Bill built a dynamometer to determine the efficiencies of his laborious efforts.
I doubt that you could do that as much as I completely doubt your notions of efficiencies. You are stating values that no major wind turbine maker would ever assert. They simply don't achieve those numbers. I've had manufacturers admit that their efficiencies are about less than half of what you are quoting, and only under ideal conditions.
So you will have to prove it and show us the test setup, the dynamometer, and the wind generating facility, the test data.
Bearuford Pickens got on Ted not too long ago and said that he lost $150,000,000 because the wind turbines are too inefficient.
So there is something very specious about the numbers that you are quoting. Clearly your reference data is false.
Were you also trying to reference the Venerable old Aermotor? Wow! You don't understand it's operation at all.
Cut the crap big talk about money, get on to the truth.
The US needs a proper testing and development facility where different designs can be tested in unconfined flow situations. That is the real point. And it doesn't exist.
Then you can relax and look at all those U-Tube presentations of 3 bladed fans exploding and catching on fire all over the world.
You actually are quoting efficiencies that are close to the Honewell multibladed design. No way with 3 blades. Complete and utter falsehoods.
56%? You are a hoot at wild exaggerations. Maybe you should go talk with Beauford Pickens and straighten him out.
You talk big money so you two might have lots in common.
Or better yet, build the world's finest development and test facility and open it up to explorations rather than the lemming instinct.
Architect, Just because one is good in one area doesn't mean they are good in others.
Yes I know exactly the difference between a spinnaker and a mainsail. One is eff and the other isn't. Guess which one isn't? PS I design, build 25knot cruising sailboats, live on, race and cruise them. And on them a classic spinnaker isn't useful because they go faster downwind by tacking from one broad reach to the others allowing a high apparent wind going so much faster even with the extra distance.
The only reason a spinnaker works on a monhull well is it's so slow. My Cats, Tri's are 4x's as fast so only special lift, not drag spinnakers are used.
As an illistration I once sailed a Mega 30 monhull but fast though a racing fleet like I had my own private wind. How is the wind was about .5mph out of the aft quater/broad reach. I caught it, not easy and slowly pulled in the sails tighter which increased over the deck windspeed/apparent wind. As the boat went faster, about 1mph added to the wind speed made it go faster. I got it going about 2mph that way while all the other boats sails just flopped around from the waves. Guess which ones had spinnakers up?
Fact is drag is just that. At low blade speed of a drag based fan just can't extract much power because it resists!!! Because of this resistance you are so proud of the wind mostly just goes around the rotor.
Vs a low blade/area ratio/2-5blades, allows the wind to go through easily, more of it and faster. Without all the air friction and blade interference drag of a many bladed rotor the blade can go many x's the windspeed at the outside end allowing it to work in 100=300mph winds to extract power. Vs just the windspeed for the drag style.
Please put up the specs, more info but basic physics, what I use to judge everything, it doesn't look good for Bill.
For referece eff for 2 blades about 48%, 3blades, 56%, 4 blades 42%, 5 blades 38% IIRC and eff drops off from there. The Fan type used for pumping water is less than 10% eff. They do it on purpose so it survives high winds better and just need torque to pump a little water so eff doesn't matter much as ruggedness.
If it's so good why don't you build it and make a fortune? Put your money up like I'm doing.
I bummed because I can see about 40 of these windmills on the horizon and just the other morning when it was very windy they were all sitting there not spinning. The fact is there was plenty of energy there. But the inferstructure to be able to store and use this energy is just not in place.
I can't wait until engineers are able to find the way to store and continue to make this technology more efficient and more profitable. I know it will be a while before engineers are able to conquer some of the larger problems with the system. But I can't wait.
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