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Tool_maker
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Re: Lighted Plugs
Tool_maker   7/11/2012 3:15:24 PM
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  So what evidence do you have that those remedial classes are for public school students only. I teach in a private high school, which my parents could never have afforded to send me to, and I run into some of the same unmotivated brick heads I met when I was student teaching in one of the more well-to-do suburban high schools in this area. I am at an all male school and the students all come to us from private grade schools. Some come literate and well prepared, but others arrive through the back door because their father is Doctor whosawhatsis, or attorney ambulance chaser and they contribute large sums of money. One of our faculty has several degrees from Harvard, but he was fired because he could neither teach nor control his classes.

  Point being, incompetance is no more exclusive to the public school systems than excellence is confined to Ivy League schools. We also have to teach remedial classes because some students think, "u r rite," is acceptable English. I challenge you to enroll in any 101 level class in any university you choose and pick out those students came to that campus via a public school system.

warren@fourward.com
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Re: Lighted Plugs
warren@fourward.com   7/11/2012 12:47:49 PM
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Really?  When many of the beginning college courses revolve around remedial english and math before today's students are capable of beginning real college classes?  I think it IS the problem.  And there is a lot of evidence that it is.  Snarky?  Probably.  The truth?  Surely.

Tool_maker
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Re: Lighted Plugs
Tool_maker   7/11/2012 12:42:59 PM
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I seriously doubt that all of the nurses, the installing electricians, the contractor's purchasing agent and the designing archetect were the products of Public Education. That sort of snarkey comment adds little to the discussion and nothing towards solving the problem at hand.

EEMEDIC
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Re: Lighted Plugs
EEMEDIC   6/4/2012 8:08:14 AM
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Thanks! It seems to be working well in our application....the plugs cost a few $ more, but much easier than explaining why a critical piece of portable battery powered equipment was dead when you really needed it! 

KMoffett
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Re: Lighted Plugs
KMoffett   6/2/2012 7:13:26 AM
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kf2qd,

The architectural design problem was not forseeing the possibility of having the need for more low level outlets than is normally needed in an NICU. This unit had come from an old building where outlet strips (cringe!) were a necessity.  Our hospital pushed the technical limits on keeping these premies alive.

LloydP
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Re: Plugs
LloydP   6/2/2012 12:13:29 AM
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It has been my experience that outlet orientation (ground "U" pin up or down) is usually an indication that the outlet was installed by a union or non-union electrician. The "code" seems to vary in different cities across the US, though.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Poor Facility Design
Rob Spiegel   6/1/2012 4:39:52 PM
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Good point, Kf2qd. The plugs themselves may not have been the problem, but rather it was where they were mounted on the wall. Even so, it would have been wise to have an indicator showing whether the batteries were charging or not.

kf2qd
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Poor Facility Design
kf2qd   6/1/2012 4:26:02 PM
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This is a case of poor architectural design. If he had to reach up over 6Ft to push teh plug, how was that little nurse supposed to ever push the plug in? Hospital Grade plugs have a much higher gripping pressure on teh contacts and are very difficult to plug in as well as to pull out. If a short nurse was trying to plug them in, at near full extension of her reach, at which point she had very little mechanical force to impart to the plug.

 

Receps were mounted too high, poor ergonamic design.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: No solution for this one.
Rob Spiegel   5/30/2012 12:23:00 PM
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Yes, Jmiller, a charging light would likely cost very little. For a specialized system in a medical facility, the small cost would offer clear benefits.

warren@fourward.com
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Re: Lighted Plugs
warren@fourward.com   5/29/2012 8:37:14 PM
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Also, you can never make something idiot proof.  The public schools are making idiots too fast.

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