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warren@fourward.com
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Lighted Plugs
warren@fourward.com   5/29/2012 8:35:39 PM
I give an A++ to the guy who suggested lighted plug.  What a great idea and simple solution to the problem.  No light, no juice.  It's the simple things in life...

 

jmiller
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Re: No solution for this one.
jmiller   5/29/2012 8:28:09 PM
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Isn't there a saying about the impossibility to make something idiot proof because there will always be a bigger idiot.  At the same time we as engineers need to be trying to do all we can to make everything work as much as possible. 

Quite often in a case like this it's people working hard and doing the best they can that struggle with something that should be easy to do.  But under the wrong set of circumstances it doesn't perform the way it is expected.

 

jmiller
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Re: No solution for this one.
jmiller   5/29/2012 8:20:29 PM
You would think they would have a little light on there just like on the battery powered drills that says "charging".  Seems like a simple problem to be solved.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: No solution for this one.
Rob Spiegel   5/29/2012 12:26:08 PM
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Yes, a feedback loop would have done wonders to correct the design. Given the wider acceptance of collaborative tools, it looks like feedback loops -- that could have helped here -- are beginning to sprout. It will be interesting to see if news from the field begins to alter design.

Tim
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Re: Plugs
Tim   5/28/2012 6:41:05 AM
The lighted plugs do have their advantages.  The light works as a quick troubleshooting tool that comes in handy especially at the end of a long extension cord.

KMoffett
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Re: Plugs
KMoffett   5/27/2012 9:45:20 PM
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Again, the concept of switching to a nonstandard plug/socket on medical equipment is precluded by the fact that almost all medical devices must be able to be used in almost any environment...for convenience, economic, and safety reasons.

The high placement of outlest iwas the real issue, and in most patient stations these are only used for permenently installed monitors. The new NICU was/is a highly device intensive environment...maybe more than they planned for. Research hospitals are always pushing the edge of technology for patient care...which can mean more equipment.

One change that I see now that could have made a small difference is the orientation of the outlets. In the past the outlets were installed so that the ground pin was on the botom. At that time the concern was to maintain the contact with the ground if the plug was partially pulled by tilting. This was for preventing electrical microshock to patients.  Now the outlets are installed with the ground pin on the top. The power pins are the last to lose contact if the plug is tilted downward.

I like the lights in the plugs. I see them in "cheap" extension cords at Home Depot. It sometimes amazes me how nickle-and-dimey manufacturers can become on $50K-100K devices.

 

Ken

Tim
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Plugs
Tim   5/27/2012 8:26:52 PM
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Good job on the go and see approach to solving the problem.  In a previous job, we had a similar problem with power supplies on bench weigh scales that would suddenly stop functioning.  The warranty held on the first few units, but after three failures, the scale company said that we had a problem as their units typically do not fail.  Review of the systm showed that some of the plugs were to be used only for industrial fans and these had a hard wired power monitoring / controlling circuit designed to minimize power usage while using the fan.  When a scale was plugged into this plug, the monitor would effectively drain the power supply and cause it to fail.  We changed the plugs for the fans to a round 120 V plug which eliminated the possibility of plugging the scale into that plug.

Leigh
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Re: Battery charging.
Leigh   5/27/2012 7:58:50 PM
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The USA 2 prong plug must be about the worst designed mains plug on Earth.

An easier solution would be to change to almost any other countries plug, or even a twist lock neutrix style outlet.

gsmith120
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Re: Battery charging.
gsmith120   5/27/2012 5:36:11 PM
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I have come across these types of "improvement parts" and similar problems.  From time to time the developers will provide a notice to the end-user as a warning so such events don't happen.  Sometimes the smallest change or improvement can cause big problems.

 

William K.
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Requires more muscle
William K.   5/26/2012 4:51:39 PM
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This case includes two examples of the "it seemed like a good idea at the time" syndrome. The first being to put the outlets at a non-ergonomic height. Above head height is certainly a very poor choice for anything except plug in permanent lighting fixtures. The second poor choice was selecting receptacles without specifying the insertion force. Different levels are available from some suppliers. 

Of course, having an "AC present" indicator on all of the battery backedup devices would have immediately indicated the problem, and it should always be provided.

The mention of twist-locking connectors is certainly a good comment, and it is applicable in a wide realm of applications. OF course, in some areas the equipment would need to have loss of power alarms to instantly allert the users to the problem.

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