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ChasChas
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ChasChas   5/21/2012 10:30:51 AM
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Welding dissimilar materials in a marine environment? Seems like I went school for nothing - they keep changing the rules after they teach them.

Interesting article! 

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warren@fourward.com   5/19/2012 9:38:15 PM
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I also spend many years in the marine industry, and the dissimilar metal issue arose all the time.  And the center of gravity would certainly rise, but surely this is taken under consideration.

i wonder where they are on using this new material?  I am sure better minds than ours have figured out what the issues are.  Just like they did on the Titanic, er I mean the center fuel tank on the 747s, er I mean the solid-state booster on the space shuttle, er, well, you know what I mean.

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Scott Orlosky   5/19/2012 8:09:31 PM
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As excited as I was by the headline, as someone who has spent a lot of time in the marine industry, once I read about a dissimilar metal construction I lost my enthusiasm.  The main place where ships need to save weight is in the superstructure (to make them less "tippy") and that problem has been solved by using all aluminum construction.  An explosion welded bar of steel/aluminum is used to provide a transition from the deck to the superstructure.  Other than that, I have to agree with Warren that the ability to repair stuff easily at sea is paramount.  Structures corrode, crack and come apart due to the constant barrage of vibration, sea spray and racking stresses. Probably best to keep this sandwich either in the air or on solid ground.

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Laser-Welded Metal Foam Sandwich
warren@fourward.com   5/19/2012 4:51:33 PM
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I wonder about repairs underway?  When you are at sea, you are on your own when trouble occurs.  Can repairs be made without a 6kW laser?  How about standard aluminum welding processes? Can you store on board replacement sections that can be used to reinforce or replace?

And does the sandwich material come with pickles?  Just curious.

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Ann R. Thryft   5/18/2012 12:47:17 PM
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Thanks for weighing in on this subject, Dave, with your background in metals. From the description, I visualized lasers trimming away the aluminum foam so it doesn't contact the edges of the panel's top steel sheets, only its internal steel sheets. I saw it somewhat like the peanut butter that slops over the side of a sandwich. Here, the "peanut butter"--perhaps a slice of cheese is a better metaphor-- is cut back so it doesn't stick out that far. Then the "bread slices" are positioned so there's no gap and welded. This may be inaccurate, but that's what I thought it meant. A video sure would be helpful.

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Ann R. Thryft   5/18/2012 12:46:11 PM
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Thanks, naperlou. I thought the combination of technologies to improve this process was especially interesting. Seems like we're seeing more of that: combining different assembly or manufacturing-related techniques to solve new materials and/or process problems. For instance, yesterday's robots plus lasers in composite repair story
http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=243715

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Interesting process
Dave Palmer   5/18/2012 10:55:56 AM
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Welding dissimilar materials -- especially dissimilar materials with very different thermal characteristics (sheet vs. foam) -- can be a big challenge.  The closest I've come to this is inertia welding a hollow carbon steel tube to a solid stainless steel shaft.  That's challenging enough, but it's child's play compared to the process described in this article.

It wasn't immediately clear to me how trimming the edges of the foam prevents intermetallic formation.  I know that intermetallic formation can be prevented by keeping heating times short, and maybe precise alignment between the aluminum foam and the steel sheet prior to welding helps with this.  The high heating and cooling rates made possible by laser welding might also help.

Thanks for an interesting article!

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Basic process
naperlou   5/18/2012 10:01:54 AM
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Ann, this is an interesting twist on an old technology.  Welding has been around for a long time.  By improving the process new things are possible.  Isn't it interesting what some of these engineers will come up with?

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