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               @ttodorov: yes, people are investigating other materials besides silicon for MEMS, such as  

               silicon carbide, quartz, and even diamond (check out www.thindiamond.com)

               Alissa M. Fitzgerald

This would appear to be a path to smaller device geometries and higher yields overcoming some of the physical limitations of silicon.  Not exactly Moore's Law, but perhaps a migration path

   * Answered yield, packaging and orientation questions ...

   * Would like to see more on device physics of gas sensors that are not proprietary, trade secret, etc

   * also on hydrophone applications

   * Took a look at the AMFitzgerald web site ... interesting info

Great presentations, thank you for archiving them.  Good selections of content from the "Content Director" at Design News (though the sequence seems a bit off, the archiving remedies that), and wonderful to have presenters such as Dr. Fitzgerald and others ...

Hello from Melbourne Australia

Electrical, Instrumentation and Controls Engineer

Hello from San Jose, CA.

HW/Test R&D Engineer.

Current: No, Future: Yes

All of them are very imformative.

Thank you Alissa and Alex for all the great session.

Iron

Thank you Alissa and Alex, Outstanding topic!

Is there any information on MEMS technology about fibre optic devices?

The whole concept about MEMS devices was very interested to me. I had heard about MEMS technology but not in the way of these sessions. Great presentation!

Interested in gyro, gas and accelerometer sensors

Thank you Alissa and Alex for another great series of presentations!

Iron

Some really great information here!

Iron

I would like to hear more about the setup and physical arrangements of the MEMS on the PCB, but it looks like we are going into that in the next few slides.  

Iron

In addition to how could they be so reliable, how could the cost have been lowered so much if the yield cannot be raised?  

Iron

Just one note to people. If you want a digital interface: Pay attention to whether you are buying a SPI or a Two Wire (TWI, I2C) interface. I find the TWI easier to use on my particular controllers. See the Arduino website for C+ libraries and examples if you are just starting out. The issue with analog inputs for accelerometers etc is noise from adjacent leads on the ADC. It makes it tougher to ferret out small signals.

Iron

Intergated surface packages silicone based?.

Iron

I am interested in hardware

Iron

Is there any activity in integrating MEMS devices into neural networks?

Gold

Session two was the most eye-opening session in this class for me -- to answer Alex's question.

Gold

@Alex - primarily interested in accels, gyros, microphones and pressure sensors

Iron

@Alex - currently learning about MEMS and considering these for my projects

Iron

@Alex - same job function so far...

Iron

Great that we have access to these recordings.

Iron

Missed the class due to travel...

Iron

Thank you for the lectures. I'm trying myself to teach my students some basics on MEMS embedded into a microsystems&microcontrollers course. We use(d) JMBADGE from Freescale as evaluation/development kit. Any advise on making the MEMS part of the course more and more attractive would be greatly appreciated.

Iron

great series so far

 

Iron

Thanks for the expansion of knowledge base.

Iron

Thanks Alissa for sharing your knowledge and experience

Iron

@luizcosta - I guess you're gone.  I'm outta here too...

Iron

Is Alex still there?

Iron

@luizcosta - You still here?

Iron

Slide 9 - Why isn't there a column for package type?

Iron

@ttodorov - You mentioned silicone.  Did you mean silicon?  Is silicone also used in MEMS?

Iron

ANSWER: ARE YOU USING MEMS SENSORS IN A CURRENT PRODUCT AND/OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO USE MEMS SENSORS IN THE NEXT YEAR?

Alexander Wolfe

 

No apps at this time.  Potential for app in future projects.

Iron

Thanks Alex.  See you in May.

Iron

@luizcosta - You asked:

Alex, how do I reply to chat messages directly? The one you see a @Name in the begining?

Answer:

On your keyboard, press and hold down your shift key.  While holding down the shift key, press and release the numeric 2 key at the top of your keyboard.  Next, release the shift key and type the name of handle of the person you wish to address.

Hope this helps.

Iron

@luizcosta - You still here?

Iron

Thank you for this series, Dr. Fitzgerald.

Iron

Well, thanks everyone for listening!  I enjoyed teaching the series and answering your questions.  Good luck with all of your exciting new MEMS sensor projects!

Last question, anyone?

 

@ttodorov: I think MEMS will still be moving parts, but designed with much better packages to protect them from stress and shock.

Okay - Thx!

Will check out Prof Roy.  Went to UofM

Sounds like the bionic man/woman is within our grasp.  Kind of scary... 

Imagine a retinal implant with a direct feed to the optic nerve...  Likely not the greatest image in the world but beats "black"

Quite a meaningful path for lowly Silicon to take...

Iron

@Dr.Fitzgerald - thanks, it's been an interesting lecture.  Since you mentioned that MEMS research is lagging about 20 yrs behind semiconductors - provided that electronic components went from many moving parts to less (potentiometers and variable capacitors vs digital potentiometers and capacitive touch solitions) together with minituarization, should we expect in 10-20 yrs that MEMS will be mostly fixed parts?  Would that help with being so shock-sensitive and easy to destroy?

Iron

Just to clarify, that's a package that has the sensor and some oil sealed into it.  The corrosive enviro squeezes the package, which squeezes the oil and sensor inside.

@vectorhappy: yes, there are buffering agents that can be placed in front of pressure sensors to protect them from corrosive/wet environments.   A low modulus gel is most typical, or an oil-sealed package.

Thanks again Alissa. Thanks everyone. I'll e-see all in the next segment.

 

Iron

I am not be able to attend live as I will be at the other side of the globe where the time is 12:00 hours difference.

Iron

@Steven: Yes, MEMS for neural probes are being extensively investigated.  U of Michigan is a leader in this field.  I still consider them MEMS even though they are not moving b/c they are fabricated by MEMS techniques.  Research is still being done on biocompatibility of silicon - check out research by Prof. Shuvo Roy at UCSF.

Hi Alex, I may need to travel in May and wondering can I get points for listening archive for the classes I missed during travel?

 

Iron

Thank you Alissa, Alex, and Digi-Key!  Another week of fascinating information!

@ttodorov: yes, people are investigating other materials besides silicon for MEMS, such as silicon carbide, quartz, and even diamond (check out www.thindiamond.com)

Do the new micro-arrays of 'needles' for neural applications [which are believe are µmachined from Si] count as MEMS, even though no moving components that I am aware of?

Is Si by iteself biocompatible, or must the sensor be protected by parylene or similar.

Thanks for a very informative week. 

Iron

Thanks, Dr. Fitzgerald for an informative series.  I have a lot of research to do from here.

Iron

@aykc88: There is tons of MEMS development going in the biosensor world.  Please refer to my Day 2 slides.

A good upcoming conference to learn more about MEMS is Sensors Expo in Rosemont, IL (Chicago Area) June 5-7.  There will be talks and a tradeshow floor for both MEMS and regular sensor companies.

Is there any biosensor development in MEMS world?

Iron

@luizcosta: check out textbooks by Kovacs, Maluf, and Madou (three different books) for good college engineering references on MEMS. 

For those wanting to play with MEMS sensors, some of the microcontroller demo now boards have them and include sample code.  The ARM Cortex M4 boards form ST Micro and TI have 3 axis accelerometers.  I'm sure there's more but those are the ones I've used.

Thank you Alex and Alissa.

Iron

Regarding references, I have not yet seen MEMS for Dummies or a MEMS Designer's Cookbook, but check with manufacturers, they are developing all sorts of Design Kits to make your job easier. (and so that you can buy lots of MEMS faster!)

Thanks Alissa and Alex. It was an interesting week with a lot of new information in an unfamiliar field. I really enjoyed using lunchtime for the sessions. See all next time.

Iron

I would like to use MEMS if the frequency range is adequake. I need a very low frequency resopnse less than a couple of Hertz.

Iron

The future of MEMS: making parts cheaper and easier for design engineers to use!  I think some of the most fascinating and interesting applications will be in medicine and biotechnology.

Excellent week!!  Thank you!

See you next time Alex.

Iron

Thank you very much, Alissa.  This lecture series is highly helpful.

Iron

Thanks a Very enjoyable week of discussion

@FrankBishop: there are MEMS based smell sensors!  Check out Cyrano Biosciences (named for Cyrano de Bergerac, the owner of a big honker)

Alissa Thank you very much for the courses this week, very useful information

Iron

Thank you Alissa, Alex, Digikey and Design News.

Iron

Thanks A & A & Digi-Key!

Iron

@luizcosta - You asked:

Alex, how do I reply to chat messages directly? The one you see a @Name in the begining?

Answer:

On your keyboard, press and hold down your shift key.  While holding down the shift key, press and release the numeric 2 key at the top of your keyboard.  Next, release the shift key and type the name of handle of the person you wish to address.

Hope this helps.

Iron

Thanks a lot for all.

Iron

Yes we plan to use MEMS in near futrure

 

Iron

not using MEMS maybe in future

Iron

Bon chance Alissa.

Merci Alex, Digikey.

Iron

how about a follow up with those unmentioned apps???????????

Iron

Thanks a lot for all the info this week

Iron

@ronald.larose@us.trumpf.comIron - I would think yield and reliability are two distinctly different issues.

Iron

ANSWER: ARE YOU USING MEMS SENSORS IN A CURRENT PRODUCT AND/OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO USE MEMS SENSORS IN THE NEXT YEAR?

Alexander Wolfe

 

No apps at this time.  Potential for app in future projects.

Iron

Alissa - this has mostly been all new to me - hits me as "wicked cool stuff!"     You're already familiar with all this - what MEMS have you seen (or is coming) that makes your eyes bug out and exclaim "wicked cool!"  ?

Computers which think at the speed of light?

 

wonderful presentation.  Thank you!

Iron

ALiSSA: Can you give some tips on curiicula, textbook(s) and lab equipment for universities/colleges?

Iron

Is there a specific type of packaging for EM sensitive applications? And how can one get custom packages? For example for medical applications.

Iron

thank you Alissa,

Iron

Been very interesting - thanks!

I look forward to growth of MEMS continuing to explode. 

Iron

Thanks a lot for all the info this week

Iron

Now looking forward to digging into archival storage.

Platinum

If there is no good books out there where should we go for further readings?

 

Iron

@Alex question: HW/SW/FW.

Iron

Welcome back Alissa.

Iron

Any recomandation for Designg guides or evelopment kits ?

@FrankBishop -- would require some chemistry to put a specific-smell-bonding agent onto an active region of the MEMS.

Platinum

Thanks for the great intro to MEMS

Iron

Thx. Alissa and Alex

Iron

Hi Alex, for the graduation.. do we need all ten sessions or just eight sessions?

 

Iron

Thank you Allisa, Alex and DIGI-Key for today's presentation

Iron

Alex, how do I reply to chat messages directly? The one you see a @Name in the begining?

Iron

Thank you Alissa, excellent series.

Iron

Post are not appearing or dropping off.

Iron

Thank you both for the info and humor

Iron

Thank you Alissa. Bye!

Iron

There is some problem on the site

 

Iron

Thanks for the great sessions!

Farewell Alissa.

Iron

Are their any Mems based smell sensors?

What's a good reference source for MEMS design?  Is there a "MEMS for Dummies" book?

Alternatives to MEMS: fiber optic fibers with various alternative cladding, such that signal analysis of pulse throughput can in fact indicate multiple-touch-detection, torsion, flexion, etc... maybe later.

Platinum

Is there a projection to the resolution that can be achieved with MEMS retina replacements?

Iron

@Alissa - Where do you see the MEMS future going ?

Iron

good sessions please keep going

 

Iron

But the math is the fun part

I DON"T WANT TO RESTART BECAUSE THE CHAT MESSAGES WILL START LOADING FROM SCRATCH>

Iron

Re: audio failure -- here and I thought it was just me...

Platinum

AUDIO FAILURE: has been constant, but this time longer.

Iron

As far as reliability is concerned, our sensors will operate for thousands of hours without fail.  And the shock resistance is 1500G for .5ms, half sine.

Iron

@ alex, about dolphins "so long and thanks for all the fish"

Iron

But maybe for intelligent dog collars with sound generation for the dogs only.  That actually is an application...

Iron

all sessions very informative

Iron

KNOW MORE: On existent tests/uses of MEMS chaining so a micro effect can be combined for higher variation results, such as the use of micro solenoids for emulating muscle tissue.

Iron

I pretty much found it all fascinating - having lived through computers going from room-size to refrigerator-size to desktops to notebooks to phones more powerful than many desktop machines of just a few years back, it looks like the same is happening with MEMS - mind-boggling to think of where we'll get in a few years.  (especially medical applications!)

highlit for me was understanding how MEMS are made, the similarities and differences from cMOS chips..
Iron

The MEMS accelerometers I work with every day are solder mounted into the package.

Iron

I was all good but i found the 2nd day automotive and medical overvies and the marketing charts showing the growth and forcasts.

I was impressed as how much MEMS are currently being used in our day to day used items

Iron

Microfluidics and Microphones were highlights.

Iron

Update, All the information about MEMS

Iron

Hi-lite: session 4: pressure sensor and misc sensors (non-motion-related)

Iron

Today's presentation is the most meaningful to me

Iron

Sorry.  I see it now.

Iron

I enjoyed the presentation of device structures and design approaches

Iron

Highlight: learning of MEMS sensor types I was not aware of before. Was really only familiar with acceleration and pressue. 

Iron

all sessions very infrmative with sessions 1 and 5 most interesting

Iron

the die is constructed from Si [silicon] and is sometimes mounted with a silicone [low stress adhesive]

Iron

Day 3 - Details about MEMS Motion Sensors

Iron

highlight for me was examples of MEMS for medical use

Iron

Slide 9 - Why isn't there a column for package type?

Iron

The table can be enlarged on a laptop type mouse pad by touching it with 2 fingers and moving them apart.  Some mice scroll wheels will also do the same thing.

Iron

Going to the game a bit late

I found knowledge of how MEMS are built and understanding ruggedness was thge most immediately useful topic.

Iron

Possibility of low cost digital compass.  Pressure sensor used as altimeter.

construction, packaging

Iron

gyros was most indteresting

Iron

I was impressed by the extent of MEMS applications in consumer products.

Iron

So far, ALL of it has been very useful and informative!

i find the last session to be quite informative

Iron

most usefull was overview as I have no psecific needs right now for MEMS

Iron

Am reliability engineer.  interested in reliability testing of these devices.

Iron

@Ran: yes, I meant silicon, thank you :-)

Iron

TABLE: a table such as this is better to be presented in sections, so we can better understand what it might have.

Iron

One of the motion mems sensor is the output non-linear, There are company make signal post processing IC linearize the output. The range is limited.

Iron

for audio, try F5

Iron

@ttodorov - You mentioned silicone.  Did you mean silicon?  Is silicone also used in MEMS?

Iron

KNOW MORE: University/college curricula suggestions. Text books, and lab equipment/software.

Iron

I'd like to get (pointed to) more info for MEMS based Atomic Sacale Manipulators, Gas and Chemical sensors!

Thanks.

Are there any pressure sensor designs that utilize a buffering media to protect the sensor from corrosive fluids / gases?

 

@Alissa: is the possibility of using other matherials than silicone being investigated for MEMS production? As example, Graphene Oxide and Monooxide (University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, web page article http://www.techthefuture.com/technology/accidental-discovery-advances-graphene-based-electronics/), but 200 times stronger than steel with all properties of insulators, conductors and semiconductors

Iron

*@Alissa: Do some MEMS accelerometers and gyros provide alignment pins or other such aids?*

Iron

I was interested mostly this week from the passive pressure sensor mounted in the heart. So I would like to hear more about the passive sensors.

Gold

I would like to hear a bit more on the physical principles gas sensors, magnetometer, flow sensors, etc. work on. Alissa described accelermoters earlier this week.

Iron

Is there a standardization effort for designs going forward or is the situation hopeless?

Interested in MEMS sensor capability ranges, pressure, sensitivity, etc. Not really that interested how they are made ;O.

Iron

Interested in Micro-fluidics

Iron

KNOW MORE: Why the iPhone magnetometer seems to be so sensitive to EM tower interference?

Iron

I would like to learn more about the interfaces needed for MEMS devices - what kind of hardware circuitry is needed, and what port/peripherals does the microcontroller need to have?

Iron

pressure sensor packaging 

Iron

would like to hear about promising new MEMS technologies that are in the late stage of development.

Iron

I'd like to know more about how to make use of the temperature sensitivity of MEMSs such as on a velocity sensor (air flow sensor).

Iron

medical application

Iron

thanks. I was just thinking if they are so fragile then how the heck is one lasting 10 years in my car?

Gold

KNOW MORE: I would like to learn about the open business opportunities to enter the MEMS fast growth phase (is there still one?).

Iron

for personal interest, it is biological and medical applications. the idea of artificial organs is exciting.

Iron

Interest in failure modes and susceptibility to static/ESD.

Iron

maybe a short list of text materials for more depth on education of MEMS.

Iron

sensor device development

Iron

Used MEMS in past, none presently. Maybe in future.

Iron

@ronald.larose@us.trumpf.comIron - I would think yield and reliability are two distinctly different issues.

Iron

interest in motion sensor and not using MEMS, maybe in the future

Iron

job: sensor device development

interest: pressure sensor

Iron

Evaluating possibilities

Platinum

USING IN RESEARCH IN SOME HOME PROJECTS.

ANSWER: ARE YOU USING MEMS SENSORS IN A CURRENT PRODUCT AND/OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO USE MEMS SENSORS IN THE NEXT YEAR?

Alexander Wolfe

 

No apps at this time.  Potential for app in future projects.

Iron

hi temp pressure sensors available ?

Iron

any off the shelf capacitance type mems sensor

Planning inthe future

Iron

If yield is low then why is reliability so high?

Gold

3-axis accelerometer, MEMS microphone

Iron

Not currently using MEMS, evaluating for possible future applications

Iron

currently using accel in a liquid level gauge

Iron

Not using in current project. Nothing planned for foreseable future.

Iron

pressure, temperature, proximites sensor

Iron
Hardware and firmware design. Use MEMS in robotics projects for motion detection.
Iron
Software. No current MEMS product plans.
Iron

Currently MEMS accel. Next yr - yes.

Iron

MEMS microphone in current project. low accurate 3 axis G force measurement

Iron

Not using currently.

Iron

not currently using MEMS (other than in existing products - phone, game systems, etc) - would like to use them sometime soon, but most likely will just be a 'play' project

No current project.  Probably will use an accelerometer in the next 12 months

yes pressure sensor in a patient monitor

Not using currently, planning on accelerometer use.

Not currently using. May use if mems fits application.

Iron

Not presently/ Possible Future

Iron

Not using, no plan to use in near future

Iron

not currently using MEMS but would if accuracy vs temp. was good

Iron

no MEMS in current projects. Would like to integrate in the next year.

Gold

interested in pressure sensor

 

Iron

no mems now. someday.

Iron

No MEMS yet but within a year.

Iron

no currently using, uncertain when to use in the future.

Iron

Plan to in the next year

Iron

Current: No

Future: Yes

Iron

Planning within the next year

Iron

sorry, got pulled away before the start.

experience is communication and cumputer electronics, some firmware support

job function is sustaining engineering for instrumentation manufactuer

Iron

ANSWER: ARE YOU USING MEMS SENSORS IN A CURRENT PRODUCT AND/OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO USE MEMS SENSORS IN THE NEXT YEAR?

Blogger

displacement sensor - 5 microns range.

what percentage of MEMS are discarded due to packaging issues?

Iron

sounds like nono technology have big play in MEMS?

 

Vibration, Temperature.

Iron

More interested in survey of MEMS device. No specific priorities right now.

Iron

Pressure, Temperature & Vibration Sensors

Iron

@Alex: SW Engineer. Interested in MEMS for pressure/fluids flow and control

Iron

Air velocity, temperature, accelerometers

Iron

HW, no MEMS at this time, probably future with accelerometers

Iron

hardware design engineer - interested in all MEMS sensor and apps

Iron

my job is focusing on system architecture. My MEMS applications are medical devices, automotive and robotics.

Iron

embedded software and hardware interface; interest in motion sensor

Iron

I do it all. I'm the only developer on specialized electronic test equipment.

Iron

All applications - general info

Iron

gas sensors, biomems, accelerometers

System design; Embedded software develpoment; some hardware

Iron

Project leader in seismic systems and hardware; interested mainly in high-precision accelerometers.

Iron

Hardware & Software - Sensor Design

Iron

general applicaiton, sensor applicaiton in particular

Iron

Interested in all MEMS sensor applications

Iron

General interest in MEMS.

Iron

sensor app would be pressure and then temperature

Iron

mechanical engineer. interested in pressure sensors

Gold

Syatem Design, incl hardware and software

Iron

More software thsn hardware at the moment.

Iron

Telecommunication systems engineer

Iron

Product Design, mostly hardware, a lot of diagnostic/implementation software. Many hats.

Platinum

medical product design

 

Hi Alex, hi Alex ...

Iron

Software, firmware, some hardware

Hello to everyone - TGIF

Firmware.  Commercial & medical apps.

Iron

@Alex question: HW/SW/FW.

Iron

Hardware from Freescale devices ARM Kinetics chipsets.

Iron

hello everyone - I'm software with some hardware

Hardware & Software Electronic Drives

Iron

hardware, medical applications

Iron

hardware/system/project engineer

using acc/gyro for tool positioning.........

SW - interest in avionics applications

Iron

Tech. Mgr / Electronic Hardware and Software Development / Technology Development and Research

 

mostly hardware but some software

Iron

Materials & Process Development

Iron

Systems Integration; Both HW/SW

Iron

AVIONICS EMC TESTING

Iron

Manager, mostly HW, some SW

Iron

hw, process development

Iron

software - securiyt & communication

Iron

hardware & software

Iron

Welcome back Alissa.

Iron

One more time - if you have no PPT you can use my Google Docs link for slides:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Mj044xim895pg_-K6M-OYPadfGqot2QmfvnNiXfmB0w/edit

Iron

Hardware/software/firmware/management

Iron

afternoon everyone

Iron

good afternoon everyone

Iron

Not spamming, but for the non-PPT folks, look for OpenOffice for free presentation access software...

Platinum

Morning from central Alaska

+15 hours of sunshine and sunny

Iron

Good afternoon folks.

Iron

Hi All,

Sunny in Vancouver Island

Iron

@joesauceda Also in Richmond.

Iron

Hello all,

Cloudy/humid Houston!

Iron

Hi all!  Once again, I've uploaded today's slideset so the no-PPT folks like me can follow along:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Mj044xim895pg_-K6M-OYPadfGqot2QmfvnNiXfmB0w/edit

Iron

Three minutes for the post to go through.

Iron

Hello Alex and all the people that come up afterwards.

Iron

Pittsburgh getting ready to host MIG group may 8-10

 

Iron

hello from SUNNY MIAMI.

Good morning all from snowy and slushy Edmonton. Happy friday.

Iron

Be sure to click 'Today's Slide Deck' under Special Educational Materials above right to download the PowerPoint for today's session.

Blogger

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Blogger

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