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FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 5:30:52 PM
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So is there a law somewhere that says that countries can only be made according to the indiginous people?

The majority of Palestinians left because they were preparing for war with their fellow Arabs, hoping to be able to return afterwards.

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 5:27:06 PM
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A faction that was the vast majority, however. The anti-Federalists were for states rights, but a smaller faction. The current US government, as a whole, does not act like either faction. And, votes decided the argument ultimately - For the Federalist system but with States/individual rights being protected by the Constitution. Now, most people don't evern realize that we actual do the opposite of what the Constitution actually says.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 5:20:45 PM
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FrankeWye :  Your questions do not make sense to me.

It was perfectly legal for the British and the allies to create countries by giving indigenous people their independence in repayment for their help in WWI.

The point was that the British never intended or ever did try to create an independent Israel.  Their intent and mandate was to only create a Jewish homeland community within the Arab country of Palestine.  There was no question of Jewish independence, because there were only about 30,000 Jews in the whole area, they spoke Arabic, and did not want independence.  Only foreign European Jews wanted an independent Israel, like Weisman and ben Gurion.

Israel happened as an independent country because the British were tired having their soldiers killed by Zionist terrorists like Stern and Irgun, and handed the problem over to the UN instead of finishing their job.

As I understand the Federalist Papers, they were the opinions of only one faction, such as Hamilton and Madison, and did not reflect the founders in general. 

In contrast, the Churchill Whitepaper was the official authorized intent of the entire British government, (as well as the other allies present at the Treaty of San Remo).

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 3:42:30 PM
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That was pretty much a yes or no question. Anyway, the British creating all the countries was "illegal" by your definition.

So, by your definition the Federalist papers were explaining what the founders intended also, right?

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 3:10:39 PM
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FrankWye : Clearly the British were trying to get what support they could for WWI, and they played up both the Arab and Zionists.  But once the interpretations came into conflict, the British had to authorize an explanation to clear up any disputes, confusion, misinterpretation, etc.  And that is the Churchill Whitepaper you can find at the Avalon project.  It makes it absolutely clear that the Palestine Arabs were supposed to be prepared for independence, while a Jewish home land within the Arab Palestine was also to be supported and encouraged.  It was not legal or practical to even consider an independent Jewish homeland.  That was created by the UN, 26 years later, after the Holocaust, millions of addition Jewish immigrants, and terrorist attacks by Zionist gangs like Irgun, Stern, and Lehi made a peaceful single country solution unlikely.  But since the 1948 UN partition, the Zinoists have constantly been conducting ethnic cleanings, confiscating not only Arab property in the Israeli side, but invading, occupying and confiscating Arab property in the Arab side of the 1948 UN partition as well.

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 11:34:22 AM
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So, would you consider a white paper somewhat equivalent to the Federalist Papers? Basically, they explain the intent of founders.

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/21/2012 10:38:57 PM
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FrankeWye : What more do you need?  I already gave you the 1922 Churchill Whitepaper that clearly said there was to be no independent Israel, but only a Jewish homeland within an Arab Palestine.  And that was long after Jordan was given to the Hashemites. 

Perhaps if you read what T.S. Lawrence had to say?

http://telawrence.info/telawrenceinfo/life/tel_and_zionism.shtml

Or perhaps if you read how Albert Einstein has to say about the Zioninst atrocities against Arabs?

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Dissent/Einstein_NYTimes_Israel.html

Or the letter Albert Einstein wrote to protest the visit by Menachim Begin:

http://sjpaderborn.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/einstein-letter-warning-of-zionist-fascism-in-israel-letter-that-albert-einstein-sent-to-the-new-york-times-in-1948-protesting-the-visit-of-menachem-begin/

{ ...

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. ...


Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

Attack on Arab Village

A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants ? 240men, women, and children – and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.... }

It is impossible for any responsible Jew to support Israel and what Israel has done.


FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/21/2012 6:43:55 PM
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Or anti-American/freedom hype.

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/21/2012 12:11:40 PM
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Give me your best source for that, that isn't just Palestinian hype.

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/18/2012 10:01:58 PM
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FrankWye :  Why is it you still don't seem to know anything about the Mideast?  The British were given the Mandate for Palestine solely to prepare it for Arab independence, and had no other option or desire.  Only a dishonest and immoral person would even hint that any of the Arabs did not want to stay.  The only reason any Arabs left is because they were being murdered, raped, beaten and robbed by the illegal Zionist immigrants.  We are not talking about "bad incidents".  The entire existence of Israel is based on murder, rape, extortion, and terrorism.  It is not their land, they don't belong there, and they are the mass murderers, in the past, present, and future.

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