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Rigby5
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Re: Hybrid Loyalty
Rigby5   4/19/2012 8:31:06 PM
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FrankWye : Yes, the Palestinians were also often Jordanian, but the British had already taken Jordan from the Palestinians and given it to the Hashimite dynasty.  The land west of the Jordan river was all the Palestinians had left.  But their right to independence in that land was firmly established in international law by the Treaty of San Remo. 

The creation of an independent Israel with the 1948 UN parition by the US, was illegal.  And the further expandsion of Israel to include all of the rest of Palestine, especially Jerusalem in 1967, was incredibly illegal.

And no, Saddam not only had nothing at all to do with any terrorism, but actually was the single most anti fundamentalist and anti terrorism power in the entire Mideast.  Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Egypt were clearly the greatest supporters of terrorism.

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Re: Hybrid Loyalty
Rigby5   4/19/2012 8:22:55 PM
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FrankWye :  Interesting how you competely ignored the most significant event in Iranian history, with the 1953 US backed Operation Ajax, that destroyed the fledgling Iranian democracy under Mossaddegh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

{ ...

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]

In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist parliamentarian faction. ... }

Rigby5
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Re: Consumers not Accepting GREEN Marketing at Face Value
Rigby5   4/19/2012 8:15:46 PM
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FrankWye : Wrong! Mars has most certainly NOT been heating up.  The martian CO2 poles are extremely variable, effected by many different factors, and the astronomers assure us that heat has nothing at all to do with it.

And no, Greenland was never green.  There were a few coastal southern areas that could be lived on during the Medieval Maximum, but we know about the high sunspot activity that caused it.  We know it was not common, and we have the Maunder Minimum to use as comparison.

We know there is not high sunspot activity now, that could possibly account for the current heat retention.  And we know CO2 must retain, heat.  It can be no other way.  We can easily prove it in any laboratory.

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Re: Hybrid Loyalty
Charles Murray   4/19/2012 8:04:41 PM
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Greg, I was also surprised by the results. It's particularly suprising in light of quality and reliability studies that have been done on hybrids. The Honda Insight and Civic Hybrid have been very good and I think it's fair to say that the Prius has bordered on spectacular.

FrankWye
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Re: Hybrid Loyalty
FrankWye   4/19/2012 7:51:50 PM
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Rigby - The Palestinians were also Jordanians, like I am a Sacramentan but also an American, when Britain partitioned everything. We only blamed Saddam for invading Kuwait.  Arabs and Leftists just want to blame the US for everything because that is how they control people like you.

So you admit that Bush didn't cause the terrorism but by 2001 something had to be done.

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Re: Hybrid Loyalty
FrankWye   4/19/2012 7:44:58 PM
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Rigby - For us it was about Pearl Harbor.

During World War II, Britain and the USSR were concerned by Reza Shah's friendly relations with Germany. In 1941 the two countries invaded and occupied large areas of Iran. They forced Reza Shah to abdicate, and in the absence of a viable alternative, permitted Mohammad Reza to assume the throne. The new shah's reign began against a backdrop of social and political disarray, economic problems, and food shortages.

Despite his vow to act as a constitutional monarch who would defer to the power of the parliamentary government, Mohammad Reza increasingly involved himself in governmental affairs and opposed or thwarted strong prime ministers. Prone to indecision, however, Mohammad Reza relied more on manipulation than on leadership. He concentrated on reviving the army and ensuring that it would remain under royal control as the monarchy's main power base. In 1949 an assassination attempt on the Shah, attributed to the pro-Soviet Tudeh Party, resulted in the banning of that party and the expansion of the Shah's constitutional powers.

In the context of regional turmoil and the Cold War, the Shah established himself as an indispensable ally of the West. Domestically, he advocated reform policies, culminating in the 1963 program known as the White Revolution, which included land reform, the extension of voting rights to women, and the elimination of illiteracy.

In 1967 he crowned himself as King of the Kings (Emperor of Iran) which caused discontentment amongst different levels of society.

These measures and the increasing arbitrariness of the Shah's rule provoked both religious leaders who feared losing their traditional authority and students and intellectuals seeking democratic reforms. These opponents criticized the Shah for violation of the constitution, which placed limits on royal power and provided for a representative government, and for subservience to the United States. The Shah saw himself as heir to the kings of ancient Iran, and in 1971 he held an extravagant celebration of 2,500 years of Persian monarchy. In 1976 he replaced the Islamic calendar with an "imperial" calendar, which began with the foundation of the Persian empire more than 25 centuries earlier. These actions were viewed as anti-Islamic and resulted in religious opposition.

The shah's regime suppressed and marginalized its opponents with the help of Iran's security and intelligence organization, the SAVAK. Relying on oil revenues, which sharply increased in late 1973, the Shah pursued his goal of developing Iran as a mighty regional power dedicated to social reform and economic development. Yet he continually sidestepped democratic arrangements and refused to allow meaningful civic and political liberties, remaining unresponsive to public opinion.

By the mid-1970s the Shah reigned amidst widespread discontent caused by the continuing repressiveness of his regime, socioeconomic changes that benefited some classes at the expense of others, and the increasing gap between the ruling elite and the disaffected populace. Islamic leaders, particularly the exiled cleric Ayatollah Khomeini, were able to focus this discontent with a populist ideology tied to Islamic principles and calls for the overthrow of the shah. The Shah's government collapsed following widespread uprisings in 1978 -1979 and consequently an Islamic Republic succeeded his regime.


 

FrankWye
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Re: Hybrid Loyalty
FrankWye   4/19/2012 7:36:38 PM
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Rigby - You have no moral compass.

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Re: Consumers not Accepting GREEN Marketing at Face Value
FrankWye   4/19/2012 7:35:48 PM
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Rigby - Except that Mars is also heating up more than historical temps and Greenland w a s  G r e e n ! back then!  and the Middle Ages had higher temps.

Rigby5
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Re: Hybrid Loyalty
Rigby5   4/19/2012 7:34:09 PM
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FrankWye : Yes, WWI was all about oil as well, and that is why it was equally wrong and immoral.  If we had not destroyed the democracy in Iran in 1953, abused the Palestinians from 1948 on, blamed Saddam when Kuwait stole oil, bombarded civilian in Beiruit with the USS New Jersey, etc., there would have been no "terrorism" to worry about.  You can't cause the response and then blame the problem on the response.  We are the ones responsible for the terrorism we claim to be fighting.

But it will all be moot in 20 to 40 years, because clearly oil is going to be too expensive for cars by then.  If not sooner.

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Re: Hybrid redux is critical to success
FrankWye   4/19/2012 7:32:18 PM
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OK.  I agree with "all [small] cars". But I particularly don't like tiny cars because I'm a big guy and I don't trust other drivers when it comes to my family driving.

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