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Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 8:19:04 PM
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FrankWye : I know what determines a country, and it is not the politcal sturcture or entity.  It the commonality of culture of the people and shared resources.

That is why Yugoslavia should still be the country, and not Serbia, Bosnia, and Croatia.  That was a horrific mistake, which lead to lots of ethnic cleansing.  Just as the artificial separation of India and Pakistan.

And if you would argue Palestine should not be a country because it is composed of Greeks, Akkadians, Phoenicians, Jews, etc., you would be wrong, not only because they are intertwined in geography, but because they share so much culture.

It is Israel that should not be a country, because it defines nothing.  It is a incompatible merger of disparate Ashkenazi, Shephardic, and Hassidic cultures, on Arab land, that attempts to claim religion as the basis, when there are historically more Muslims and Christians than Jews there.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 7:59:14 PM
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Indigenous means: belonging to a certain place.

Who are you to decide the size of my country. If I/we belong where I/we live...

A country is a region legally identified as a distinct entity in political geography.

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 7:25:49 PM
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FrankeWye :  Read it again, more carefully.

{ ... The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country [ Palestine] under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion."10 (Article 2) ... }

Clearly it is calling for the Jewish National Home to be within the Arab governed Palestine.  It would have to be.  That is because even with the millions of Jewish immigrants, the population was over two thirds Arab.  So while you can declare a country to be a national homeland, where members of that ethnic culture could always be allowed in and find a home, they could never be allowed to rule.

The minority, especially a non-indigenous recent imported population, can never rule.  That should be obvious.

And clearly that is what all documents say.  At not time was there ever legally  supposed to be an independent Jewish nation.  It makes no sense and violates the normal definitions of legal conventions.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 7:17:54 PM
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Yes, what the UN did was probably illegal.  The allies had promised the Palestinians independence, that was the right thing to do, and the UN had no right to give half of Palestine to recent, illegal, European immigrants.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 7:16:07 PM
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FrankeWye : You wrote, "So, if I get the majority of people in my neighborhood to sign a declaration, we can become our own country?"

I don't get it, because that would make no sense if the majority of the people in your neighborhood were not indigenous, or were not the major culture in the larger, country sized entity.

That has no bearing on Palestine, which clearly is composed of indigenous people, is of country size, and was only prevented from previously being an independent country by Turkmen invaders.  It has all the qualities necessary to be a country. 

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 6:57:52 PM
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"The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country [ Palestine] under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion."10 (Article 2)

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 6:48:55 PM
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So what the UN did was illegal?

 

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/22/2012 6:45:42 PM
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So, if I get the majority of people in my neighborhood to sign a declaration, we can become our own country?

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 5:58:01 PM
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YES!  These is a law that countries can only be made according to the indigenous people.  It was an unwritten law when this country revolted from England, is what the Declaration of Independence was based on, and has been written into everything since then.

The majority of Arabs left because they were being robbed, raped, and murdered.

The Palestinian Arabs took no part in any of the hostilities, not only because they were unarmed, but because they had absolutely no military training, and because they had families and livestock to take care of.

In contrast, the Zionist gangs were all hardened veterans, fully armed with the latest US weapons, like tanks, bombers, artillery, machine guns, etc.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/22/2012 5:52:39 PM
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FrankWye : Small correction, in that only individuals have rights.  And they are inherent.  States have authority delegated to them by individuals, based on individual rights.  So the federal government can also have delegated authority, as long as it does not conflict with that delegated to state governments.

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