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Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/9/2012 6:53:05 PM
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FrankWye :  You are totally wrong about the Mideast.  The Treaty of San Remo created the British Mandate for Palestine in 1922.  The British Mandate for Palestine was all of the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.  The land east of the Jordan river was known as Trans Jordan.  Transjordan had been part of the Syrian administrative unit under the Ottomans. It was part of the captured territory placed under the Allied Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA).[30] Following the final surrender of the Ottomans, the British withdraw their army from the region leaving it to be administered by Faisal as a province of Syria[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_%28legal_instrument%29

Your claim the British divided Palestine into a Jewish and Arab administrative districts is totally and absolutely false.  There was always only one Palestine under the British Mandate, and it was always to be Arab governed.  It was only after the Zionist terrorism like the King David Hotel bombing in 1946, that the British gave up and handed it over to the UN to finish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

And only after the UN decided to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Arab sections in 1948, did there ever exist any Jewish country in the last 2000 years.

Absolutely no part of Palestine was ever east of the Jordan River.


Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/9/2012 6:39:17 PM
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FrankWye : NO! The border of Jordan, Trans Jordan, etc., NEVER went beyond the Jordan River.  It NEVER went to the Mediterranean, and there was ALWAYS a Palestine on the map.  Palestine is older, more stable, and always had a much larger population than Jordan.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/9/2012 4:45:26 PM
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Because no other peoples had ever established a NATIONAL homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few indigenous Arabs there were or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews! 

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/9/2012 4:26:51 PM
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Actually, I will correct myself, hopefully before you try to obfuscate some more. British Mandate controlled all of Palestine until 1923 when they divided it into two administrative districts- Jewish Palestine and Arab Palestine, the latter being east of the Jordan River.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/9/2012 3:56:24 PM
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You are basically arguing that the Pashtun tribes are neither Paks or Afganis.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/9/2012 3:55:01 PM
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The Jordanian BORDER went all the way to the Med Sea.

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/9/2012 3:53:32 PM
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FrankeWye :  You claims are ridiculous.  The Palestinians were NEVER Jordanians.  The Palestinians have coastal origins, going back to the Phoenicians, Akkadians, Greeks, etc.  The Jordanians are inland and much more Arab.  There are no cultural similarities even.  The reality is that there have always been more Palestinians than Jordanians, so Jordan should really be part of Palestine.

Sure there were Hebrew tribes that lived there thousands of years ago, but they were nomadic herders until about 1000 BC, when they invaded Jericho, and they only ruled for about 400 years.  Insignificant in the sands of time.  And they were not even called Jews back then, because that word only came from after they captured Judea.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/9/2012 3:50:39 PM
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You are very good at obfuscation. Do you mean Palestinians that are Isreali citizens or Palestinians outside of the walls?

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/9/2012 3:47:34 PM
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FrankWye : No, you know nothing about the Mideast.  The Palestinians never migrate.  They are not nomadic.  Their culture and custom is they must stay on the land where the bones of their ancestors are buried.

The reason the Palestinians can not leave or even travel at all is because the Israelis have them behind barbed wire.

They are not allowed to travel by the Israelis, and even those who won scholarships to universities in other countries, are not allowed to leave.

The only Palestinians who can travel are those that got out before the Israeli occupation.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/9/2012 3:46:14 PM
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Rigby - "Palestinians do exist,..."

This is how you twist things. I never said they did not exist. I said there never was a country of Palestine. And just because you want to ignore the Jewish tribes that existed there doesn't mean they didn't. You are picking a side. I am picking NOW. THere are too many wrongs done in the past and we can never solve them all. You want to ignore facts like the Palestinians were Jordanians too before they tried to organize.

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