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FrankWye
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FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 9:16:40 PM
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You are the one that gave me the Carter reference where he said inside Isreal it is GREAT! and FAIR and "DEMOCRATIC"!!!!

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 9:14:13 PM
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The "Arabs" now have enough $ to buy the latest and greatest.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 9:12:27 PM
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So, should everyone leave America and leave it for the aboriginals? Are there any 100% "native" anymore? Is it first come first served or last here last keep?

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 9:09:19 PM
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So the fact that the Jews were enslaved before the Palestinians and lost their homeland means nothing, right.

Like I said what happened in 1930 was an atrocity. But all the subsequent attacks on Isreal are not about that. And, if someone kept launching missiles and sending suicide bombers at me I would hope that I would wipe them out before they wiped me out.

Putting a buffer is too PC.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/4/2012 9:01:39 PM
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FrankWye : No, the Zionists attacked Arab villages like Dier Yassin FIRST.  They started murdering Arabs in the 1930s.  And the death rate has always been ove 10 Arabs murdered for every dead Israel.  You know that not only from the statistics, but from the fact the Zionists had vastly superior weapons.  They had bombers, fighter planes, and the latest tanks, while the Arabs mostly only had WWI surplus.

There is no democracy in Israel.  If it were, then the vote would be to return the name to Palestine.  Of the 10 million Arabs in Israeli occupied areas, only a half million are allowed to vote. 

If you read more than one small sound bite, you would know that Cater was referring to the occupied territories as being Apartheid.  The fact is 5 million immigrant Jews dictate to 10 million indigenous Arabs, and occupy over 90% of their land.

The fact the Ottoman Empire prevented there from being a Palestine country, does not mean it should not be.  It is Israel that should not exist, because it is always wrong to take land from the indigenous people, and it is always wrong to bad a country on religion or culture.  It is Israel that was created by terrorism and requires terrorism to exist.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 8:55:58 PM
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If you are anti-American/freedom its bribery (the $ given to Egypt.)

If you are a civil person it about: ...Since her appointment as U.S. ambassador to Cairo in March 2011, Anne Patterson has been the target of numerous attacks in the Egyptian press. The campaign against her was stepped up following her declaration, at her nomination hearing at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in June of that year, that the U.S. had channeled some $40 million to civil society organizations in Egypt with the aim of advancing democracy in the country. Indeed, the issue of foreign funding of civil society organizations ultimately led to a crisis in U.S.-Egypt relations.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 8:44:28 PM
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Not Bribery?

Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed over $4 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world's largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid. Successive Administrations have requested aid for the Palestinians to support at least three major U.S. policy priorities of interest to Congress:

• Combating, neutralizing, and preventing terrorism against Israel from the Islamist group Hamas and other militant organizations.
• Creating a virtuous cycle of stability and prosperity in the West Bank that inclines Palestinians—including those in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip— toward peaceful coexistence with Israel and prepares them for self-governance.
• Meeting humanitarian needs and preventing further destabilization, particularly in the Gaza Strip.

Since June 2007, these U.S. policy priorities have crystallized around the factional and geographical split between the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

AND WHY IS IT THAT--Arab states have made relatively small annual contributions.? Nobody really wants peace because it is so useful to use it to hate on the US.

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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 8:30:28 PM
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If the Arab world didn't gather to attack Isreal they would not have tried to defend themselves. Of course, there was a few extremist Zionists that did commit attrocities and that should be condemned, but that is nowhere near the attrocities commited against Isreal. The imposibility is that Isreal can never have a "guarantee" of security like Carter suggests.

About "Apartheid" in the title of his book, Carter has said:

"It's not Israel. The book has nothing to do with what's going on inside Israel which is a wonderful democracy, you know, where everyone has guaranteed equal rights and where, under the law, Arabs and Jews who are Israelis have the same privileges about Israel. That's been most of the controversy because people assume it's about Israel. It's not.[5]

"I've never alleged that the framework of apartheid existed within Israel at all, and that what does exist in the West Bank is based on trying to take Palestinian land and not on racism. So it was a very clear distinction."[6]

This helps prove about what I said about Isreal being a decent place to live, no matter who or what religion. Those that stayed and chose to live there are at peace. Those that chose to join in the War are not. And, there was never a country of Palestine.

Do you understand the concept of "country", not region? Countries usually have international borders and a president or dictator, etc. Before Isreal was peritted to re-incorporate there was no country of Palestine or Ruler of Palestine.

The problem with elitist liberal christians is that they think that giving in to demands will solve the problem. While it can on a personal level it hardly ever does with national(and international) problems.

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/4/2012 8:09:07 PM
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FrankWye : If Zinoists had not massacred innocent Arab civilians like a Dier Yassin, and had not tried to illegally establish an independent Israel in land legally bound to Palestine, there would have been no problem.  Israel should have remained a homeland within an Arab Palestine, as the treaties established.  But there is no "freedom" in Israel.  Ask anyone who is known to be fair, like Jimmy Carter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Peace_Not_Apartheid

We gave billions to Egypt in order to bribe them.  But no more.

And no, we never gave billions to Palestine.

The few hundred million we gave Palestine did not even cover water and gargage collection.  They can't side with Russia or China because they are blocked from international access by Israel.

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