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FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/4/2012 7:35:54 PM
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Well since most of the countries around Isreal have threatened to "wipe them off the map" or "push them into the sea," we help with their self defense. Plus the fact is that they are the only free and open country in the area contrary to your beliefs. But we also give billions to Egypt and the Palestinians (which mostly goes into peoples' pocket, ie. Arafat), I think mostly to stop them from siding with Russia or China.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/05/ayaan-hirsi-ali-the-global-war-on-christians-in-the-muslim-world.html

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/3/2012 8:30:54 PM
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FrankWye : I agree the US has neither the resources nor the obligation to free all the oppressed people of the world.  But I think we should stop supporting most of the oppressors of the world, and we since we are giving Israel $5 billion a year, then the Palestinians are our responsibility.

But I don't agree with your perspective on solar industries having financial trouble.

We expect solar industried to have trouble since they don't have economy of scale yet, China is illegally dumping solar products, and all industries like auto makers and banks are also having financial trouble right now.

As for Spain, you spin is incorrect.  Solar is doing well in Spain. So well that there is currently an excess of power production.  So the cut in production of new generating stations in Spain is temporary.  They still manufacture and export solar power products, and in fact are installing huge solar thermal system in AZ.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/04/spain-imposes-temporary-halt-to-new-renewable-energy-co-generation-projects

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/3/2012 11:25:37 AM
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Yes but we are not exactly going to go out and try and free everyone-that is what the cold war was about and even after WWII we controled Japan long enough to set up a new government.

Remember POTUS promising 2.5 million new "green jobs"? Or was it 5 million "green jobs"? I can't really remember because everything that comes out of Oblamebush's mouth is total BS. Let's take a look at some of those "green" companies that Obungler threw money at and their success stories. Here's a partial list.
SunPower, after receiving $1.5 billion from DOE, is reorganizing, cutting jobs.
First Solar, after receiving $1.46 billion from DOE, is reorganizing, cutting jobs.

Solyndra, after receiving $535 million from DOE, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Ener1, after receiving $118.5 million from DOE, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Evergreen Solar, after receiving millions of dollars from the state of Massachusetts, filed for bankruptcy protection.

SpectraWatt, backed by Intel and Goldman Sachs, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Beacon Power, after receiving $43 million from DOE, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Abound Solar, after receiving $400 million from DOE, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Amonix, after receiving $5.9 million from DOE, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Babcock & Brown (an Australian company), after receiving $178 million from DOE, filed for bankruptcy protection.

A123 Systems, after receiving $279 million from DOE, shipped some bad batteries and is barely operating. It cut jobs.

Solar Trust for America, after receiving a $2.1-billion loan guarantee from DOE, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Nevada Geothermal, after receiving $98.5 million from DOE, warns of potential defaults in new SEC filings.

Spain was the model for Obozo's "green jobs" fiasco.
And let's not forget Spain, the model for Obama's clean-energy policies. Spain announced on April 7, 2012 that they would halt all new renewable energy and co-generation projects.

Spain has seen the light. That for every "green job" that was created in Spain, 2.7 jobs were lost.

 


Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/2/2012 9:18:59 PM
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FrankWye : No, Spain was no more the legal owner of the Philippines than the French owned Vietnam, England owned India, etc.

That is not ownership, but criminal occupation and suppression of inherent indigenous rights. 

Haven't you ever read the Declaration of Independence?  It does not just apply to the American colonies you know.  It is a statement about the generic, inherent rights, of all human beings, everywhere.

The length of time is irrelevant.  What you are saying is like saying we should just let the Ottoman Empire kept all of Jordan, Syria, Israel, and Palestine, because they had occupied it for hundreds of years.

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/2/2012 3:56:42 PM
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Since I don't know of a more extensive and cited source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilio_Aguinaldo shows that you are way off.

Spain may not have "legally" owned it except that at the time that's how it worked.

Hitler didn't control all of France for hundreds of years.

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/2/2012 2:28:56 PM
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FrankeWye : You are insane.  Spain did not legally own the Philippines, but brutally colonized it by force.  A process the US is supposed to be against.  But that is only half of why is it wrong to believe Spain could cede the Philippines to the US.  The main reason is because the US promised the Philippine independence for helping us defeat the Spanish.  The rebellion by  Emilio Aguinaldo started before the US and Spain went to war.  We had made promises of independence in exchange for help against Spain.  We reneged.  That was criminal.  

What you suggest would be like us accepting France from Hitler in WWII, so that Hitler could end the fighting on the western front.  Hitler would have no authority to cede France to the US.  But you SHOULD already know that.  Any sane person would.

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/2/2012 11:27:58 AM
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I don't think logic is your strong point. Example, Spain controlled the Philippines for hundreds of years, and whether or not you think they had the authority, evidently Spain did, and then ceded control as a result of the war.

I could go on but I seriously think you are whacko.

Rigby5
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
Rigby5   5/1/2012 9:50:03 PM
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FrankWye : No, the US has been colonialist for the last 100 years or so, and still is ruthless.  The Moro Rebellion was around 1911, so was almost exactly the 100 years I mentioned, and was why I picked 100 years.  The Moro rebels had been promised independence for helping us against the Spanish, and we lied to them and reneged on the deal.  Spain had no authority to cede the Philippines to the US.  It is bizarre you would even say that.

And NO, the Arabs were NOT welcome to stay in Israel.  Thousands were murdered.  Did you not even look at the Dier Yassin link I gave you?  Noy only were most of the men, women, and children butchered by the Israelis, but dozens were captured, paraded down the streets of Jerusalem, and then slaughtered.  These monsters were the Hagganahl, Irgun, Lehi, and other Zionists militants who later because the IDF.

And it is nonsense to claim the Palestinians chose to fight a war.  They NEVER did.  They had no arms or armies.  They never fought anyone.  You have absolutely no clue at all what you are talking about.

As for your propaganda video, there is not a single Arab that prefers Israel of an Arab state or self determination.  And everything he said was a lie.  Very few Arabs are allowed to run for any office, and very few Arabs are allowed to vote.  They are not allowed to get building permits, work permits, maintain their orchards, their cisterns are demolished, the homes confiscated, they are not allowed to use the same roads, etc.  The occupied areas are not allowed any contact with the outside.  Israel controls all borders and imports, with high tariffs and taxes on all goods.  The Palestinians are supposed to be given these tariff and tax revenues, but have not been for over a decade.  Israel is Apartheid.  Or do you believe Jimmy Carter was making it up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj-0F4zBJUk

But no, I did not ask why Arabs did not integrate in France.  The causes are obvious to me.  But apparently not to you.

FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/1/2012 8:32:16 PM
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...

The Ministry of Justice filed 41 prosecutions while the American team was in Nigeria, the report said. Even so, the commission recommended that the United States include Nigeria on a list of 13 nations called "countries of particular concern" which engage in "severe violations of religious freedom."

CNN has reached out to the governments of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Nigeria for comment, but has so far not received a response to the report.


FrankWye
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Re: Why is the Israel / Arab issue here at all
FrankWye   5/1/2012 8:13:25 PM
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Of course we don't support "ruthless colonialism" or any colonialism. The Moro Rebellion was before your imaginary 100 years too.

After a series of unsuccessful attempts during the centuries of Spanish rule in the Philippines, Spanish forces occupied the city of Jolo, the seat of the Sultan of Sulu, in 1876. The Spaniards and the Sultan of Sulu signed the Spanish Treaty of Peace on July 22, 1878. Control of the Sulu archipelago outside of the Spanish garrisons was handed to the Sultan. The treaty had translation errors: According to the Spanish language version, Spain had complete sovereignty over the Sulu archipelago, while the Tausug version described a protectorate instead of an outright dependency.[2] Despite this suspect claim to the Moro territories, Spain ceded them to the United States in the Treaty of Paris which ended the Spanish-American War.

The US, not believing in colonialism but in the right to determination and independence recognized Philippine Independence July 4, 1946. Unfortunately, we cannot go back and right all wrongs. The fact remains that when Isreal became a State the Arabs and or Palestinians were welcome to stay. Many chose not to and fight a war instead, lost and then remained displaced. But many did stay- see what they are doing...

http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/Is_Israel_an_Apartheid_State.html

You ask why is it that Arab immigrants assimilate better in the United States than in France (November 19th)? I would like to provide a parallel case from when I taught in Italy as one possible explanation. At my school, a group of students was referred to simply as "the Japanese". Eventually, I discovered that these students had been born in Italy and held Italian passports, yet no one ever referred to them as Italian. Because of their long history, the definition of what is "a European" is resistant to change, whereas the terms "American" and "Canadian" are being redefined constantly.

Scott Paterson

http://www.economist.com/node/5179308

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